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Korea was propped up by the US due to the Cold and Korea Wars. Taiwan due to the cold War too. Both are still being supported by the US. Singapore was owned b

by jmclnx 9mo ago

Korea was propped up by the US due to the Cold and Korea Wars. Taiwan due to the cold War too. Both are still being supported by the US. Singapore was owned by the UK and was ignored left alone due to the fact of its size. So it was able to chart their own course.

rayiner 9mo ago
If the U.S. could make a country rich by propping up its military Egypt and Pakistan and several others would be first world countries. Korea and Taiwan are rich for the same reason China is getting rich. The only difference is Korea and Taiwan followed a capitalist model starting in the 1950s and 1960s, while China didn’t start until the 1980s and 1990s.
- jmclnx 9mo ago
  I am not talking about rich, but exploation. The US kind of exploits Korea, Taiwan for cheap labor.and goods. Pakistan was on/off a US ally, same for Egypt. Both at different times were aligned with USSR/Russia, bouncing between the US and Russia over the decades. Plus they are used by the US as a balance against other countries in the mid-east
  - rayiner 9mo ago
    If US “exploitation” can make a country rich, why isn’t Mexico rich?
    - jmclnx 9mo ago
      Exploitation is to make the exploitor rich, not to make the exploitee rich. But from what I understand Mexico could be a bit better off then it was decades ago. But looking at history, the US took big chunks of land from Mexico in the 1800s. The resources from that land made the US what it is now. So in another time, Mexico and the US could have been completely different if that did not happen.
      - roenxi 9mo ago
        So just circling back to the Korea example, does this imply that in the Cold & Korean wars, South Korea was exploiting the US to become rich? What exactly does the word "exploit" mean to you here if the US had to cross an ocean and to get themselves exploited by some minor power? > The US kind of exploits Korea, Taiwan for cheap labor.and goods. So we had a period where Korea was exploiting the US, then the US somehow broke their chokehold and started exploiting them? And if the Koreans improve their standard of living that mean they've regained exploitation dominance over the US? Or is Korea exploiting someone like the Chinese (a nation that I, naively, feel is a bit stronger than Korea)? Or who are they exploiting? I'm not sure how this plays out to be internally consistent. It seems like being wealthy has more to do with internal policy than external exploitation or even resource availability.
        jmclnx 9mo ago
        I do not say anywhere Korea Exploiting the US. I am saying the US and a few other nations used many countries to gain power and use that as chess games against each other. Without US support, S. Korea and Taiwan would not exist. The US is/has used these countries against China and the USSR. Yes, they got better off due to it, but the US gets a bit more benefit from the arrangement. Fun fact, until about the 1980s, N. Korea had a much stronger economy that S. Korea due to support from the USSR.

by jmclnx 9mo ago

rayiner 9mo ago

If the U.S. could make a country rich by propping up its military Egypt and Pakistan and several others would be first world countries. Korea and Taiwan are rich for the same reason China is getting rich. The only difference is Korea and Taiwan followed a capitalist model starting in the 1950s and 1960s, while China didn’t start until the 1980s and 1990s.

jmclnx 9mo ago
I am not talking about rich, but exploation. The US kind of exploits Korea, Taiwan for cheap labor.and goods. Pakistan was on/off a US ally, same for Egypt. Both at different times were aligned with USSR/Russia, bouncing between the US and Russia over the decades. Plus they are used by the US as a balance against other countries in the mid-east
- rayiner 9mo ago
  If US “exploitation” can make a country rich, why isn’t Mexico rich?
  - jmclnx 9mo ago
    Exploitation is to make the exploitor rich, not to make the exploitee rich. But from what I understand Mexico could be a bit better off then it was decades ago. But looking at history, the US took big chunks of land from Mexico in the 1800s. The resources from that land made the US what it is now. So in another time, Mexico and the US could have been completely different if that did not happen.
    - roenxi 9mo ago
      So just circling back to the Korea example, does this imply that in the Cold & Korean wars, South Korea was exploiting the US to become rich? What exactly does the word "exploit" mean to you here if the US had to cross an ocean and to get themselves exploited by some minor power? > The US kind of exploits Korea, Taiwan for cheap labor.and goods. So we had a period where Korea was exploiting the US, then the US somehow broke their chokehold and started exploiting them? And if the Koreans improve their standard of living that mean they've regained exploitation dominance over the US? Or is Korea exploiting someone like the Chinese (a nation that I, naively, feel is a bit stronger than Korea)? Or who are they exploiting? I'm not sure how this plays out to be internally consistent. It seems like being wealthy has more to do with internal policy than external exploitation or even resource availability.
      - jmclnx 9mo ago
        I do not say anywhere Korea Exploiting the US. I am saying the US and a few other nations used many countries to gain power and use that as chess games against each other. Without US support, S. Korea and Taiwan would not exist. The US is/has used these countries against China and the USSR. Yes, they got better off due to it, but the US gets a bit more benefit from the arrangement. Fun fact, until about the 1980s, N. Korea had a much stronger economy that S. Korea due to support from the USSR.