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I always remember the pointless integration of Google+ into YouTube that simply annoyed everyone. There's surprising willingness to damage an existing successfu
by nitwit005 8mo ago
I always remember the pointless integration of Google+ into YouTube that simply annoyed everyone. There's surprising willingness to damage an existing successful product to try to save a new struggling product.
Microsoft has also tried hard to push Edge, annoying nearly every Windows user on the planet, with no real success.
- direwolf20 8mo agoIt's the branding. When the button that explored the internet said "internet explorer" it was so obvious. Then every OS component had to become its own brand. Why can't it just be called "internet"?
- aleph_minus_one 8mo ago> Why can't it just be called "internet"? Because the world wide web is just one of the many applications that is possible to implement on the internet infrastructure.
- Dylan16807 8mo agoThey were asking about "internet" versus "internet explorer", so that's not relevant.
- aleph_minus_one 8mo agoThe Internet Explorer is not for exploring the internet, but the world wide web, so the name never did make sense.
- jamesnorden 8mo agoI guess intranets don't exist.
- direwolf20 8mo agoActually, it views HTML. But if you call it Microsoft HTML Viewer and then wonder why nobody clicks on it.........
- albedoa 8mo agoLooks like the context understander has logged on. Welcome!
- Sharlin 8mo agoI'm sure soon enough it'll be renamed "Copilot 365 Explorer" or something similar.
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- indymike 8mo agoI'm holding out for Copilot 365 Explorer Enterprise Edition.
- tsimionescu 8mo agoThat seems far too clear, I'd bet more on "Copilot Online".
- RandomTisk 8mo agoFrankly it's how they insist themselves onto their potential users. When I toyed around with Edge a year or two ago, just to get the t-shirt, it was impossible to set a custom home page for first-open instead of MSN crap. New tabs could be customized, but not the initial page. Apparently they fixed it since, but I still don't see Edge as a serious browser, just another rent seeking marketing tool.
- simonw 8mo agoThe Google+ thing was a great example of bonus-driven product design. My understanding is that effectively everyone at Google was told that their annual bonus would be directly tied to how well their team's products supported the rollout of Google+.
- alex1138 8mo agoYou look at ~15 year old comments and it's people replying to people that aren't there
- starik36 8mo agoThat's exactly it. In every large corp I ever worked at, the bonuses for managers always depended on whatever company initiative was happening at the time. Incentives almost always drive the outcome.
- Sharlin 8mo agoIt's almost as if that's what incentives are for. Whether the outcome is the intended one is of course another question entirely.
- sandworm101 8mo agoThat is sooo google. Every big tech company has a defining trait. Microsoft is evil. Microsoft doesnt care about customers and never will. Apple is expensive. No matter what they produce, it will cost more than the alternatives. Such things are in the corporate DNA and we should not expect change in our lifetimes. Google? Google is internally focused. Every google product exists to leverage or prop up the others. The value of any product, new or old, is judged only by how much traffic/business/money it can funnel to others. Any product that doesnt support, even if profitable on its own, is a threat.
- egl2020 8mo agoI was at G when "mobile first" was the slogan, and it led to "odd" choices such as designing and leading with a travel app rather than the web site. Perhaps locally suboptimal, but in the long run brutal forcing functions were needed to move a company as big and successful as Google into something new. I hear that going all-in on AI was internally disruptive and probably had some bad side-effects that I'm ignoring, but in hindsight it was the right thing to do. When ChatGPT, perplexity, and you.com came out, my immediate thought was "Google is toast", but they've recovered.
- shevy-java 8mo agoYeah - Google really tried to get people to use Google+ but it always sucked. YouTube, while Google nerfed and downgraded it, still works to some extent, though AI generated "content" is such a waste of time. > Microsoft has also tried hard to push Edge, annoying nearly every Windows user on the planet, with no real success. https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/ https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/ Well for tech users it is at around 12% or so, give or take. More curiously Google chrome share dropped a little. I have no data about this, e. g. one website is too little info anyway but I suspect that Google killing ublock origin was a reason; right now I am using firefox and though it has tons of issues too, being able to lock away pointless "content" is so vital for how I browser and access information online.
- Gigachad 8mo agoMy experience of Google+ was that it didn't suck, it just didn't offer much Facebook didn't already offer. So why would anyone use it. And then they started automated posting on Google+ for when you did something like comment on youtube, it would make a post on G+ which pissed people off.
- Avamander 8mo agoThat was the only time when YouTube actually had a proper comment system and you would actually get notified when someone replied to you consistently. I wish they'd've kept the parts people used the most.
- profsummergig 8mo agoAlso Teams and OneNote. If you're on Windows 11, search for "Startup Apps" and disable CoPilot, Teams and OneNote (if you don't use them). It'll speed up your system. CoPilot is a great name. But Microsoft being Microsoft even messed that up. Apparently there's a Github CoPilot and a Windows CoPilot, and they're different.
- Sharlin 8mo agoThose are just two of the several Copilots MS now has, including re-branding the entire Office suite as Copilot… It's is a brand - as you said, a name – not a product.
- FearNotDaniel 8mo agoFlashback to the days when literally every MS product had “.NET” shoehorned into its name somewhere because they had to show they were hip to this newfangled information superhighway thing. The development platform that still has that name 20 years later was just one of a zillion confusingly named marketing initiatives back then. Edit: Wikipedia sums up the "failed branding campaign" quite scathingly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_.NET_strategy I think that campaign followed on from everything being named "Enterprise" something. I still miss the days when SQL Server Management Studio was called "Enterprise Manager"...
- Sharlin 8mo agoASP.NET has the dubious honor of featuring two generations of MS buzzwords: "Active" and ".NET".
- Izikiel43 8mo ago> Apparently there's a Github CoPilot and a Windows CoPilot, and they're different. Given xbox one x and xbox series x, I still don't know which one is the latest one. MSFT not being good at naming things is not new.
- eboy 8mo ago[dead]
- tester756 8mo ago>Microsoft has also tried hard to push Edge, annoying nearly every Windows user on the planet, with no real success. False, Edge is actually decent product and viable replacement for Chromium based browsers. I use Firefox daily, but at work Edge is my way to go
- cursuve 8mo agoAgree. I gave it a shot recently after being a hater of MS browsers since the 90's and am actually very happy with it. I love the Workspaces and syncing features. Arc had something similar, but Arc started to stall out remain frustratingly buggy. Edge is now my go-to...
- jazzyjackson 8mo agoEdge /is/ a chromium based browser, it makes sense people wouldn't feel the need to download Chrome unless they want to use their google account to sync devices.
- tester756 8mo agofor (other) chromium based browsers, I meant.
- Onawa 8mo agoI really enjoyed Edge after it launched, but when they stuffed in all of the shopping plugins and integrations I bailed on it.
- Tempest1981 8mo agoDoes Edge share your browsing history with Microsoft?
- romanovcode 8mo agoYes, also it's not even encrypted. It's the worst case of all major browsers. Firefox & Safari: E2E encrypted, you hold keys, not possible for Mozilla/Apple to access it. Chrome: Encrypted, Google holds keys meaning it is useless, they can read and give away the data. One can enable sync passphrase which would enable E2E however. Edge: Nothing is encrypted and no way to change this.
- stickfigure 8mo agoI actually think Google+ was a good idea and it's a shame google now has a dozen different products with completely different social identities. Facebook does this right, you have one profile. Youtube comments might not be a cesspool if they were tied to your "Google identity".
- rockskon 8mo agoI'm always puzzled by such a claim. One can look at Facebook to see the comments people put up tied to their real name and find no shortage of utterly abhorrent comments. Not sure why there's such a pervasive memory-holing of this when people talk of wanting to tie the ability to comment publicly to peoples' identities.
- stickfigure 8mo agoComments in Facebook may not be perfect, but they are vastly better than youtube comments. This is a false equivalence.
- rockskon 8mo agoOur experiences differ in that regard. And no it isn't a false equivalence since Facebook's "use your real ID" commenting system is directly comparable to any proposed system to mandate use of someone's ID to post on other platforms.
- tsimionescu 8mo agoI've personally seen WAY more abusive and hateful comments on Facebook, from real accounts of real people, with pictures and friends and everything, than I have ever seen on YouTube. This may be very locale dependent, but in my country (Romania, which has a pretty large proportion of people online from very socially conservative backgrounds) you can easily find extremely explicitly misoginistic, racist, homophobic, and just plain hateful comments coming from real FB and Instagram accounts, again, from people using their real names and faces and everything. I've seen far fewer similar comments on YouTube videos, even ones from the same country.
- reddalo 8mo agoI'm still super mad at Google+ because it was clearly the cause for Google Reader been killed. That's when I started losing trust in Google as a company.
- paride5745 8mo agoThey could have led the way to a social web using Google Reader. Make a Disqus-like comment section that shows the comments in RSS articles from Reader. Also Reddit, by empowering the GReader Groups capabilities. But no, let's copy Facebook and force everybody on it. And kill Google Talk while at it. I'll never forgive Google for that.
- knowitnone3 8mo ago[dead]