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In Tehran
- bigyabai 9mo ago> The people who had been called ‘rioters’ the day before were now labelled ‘terrorists’. A familiar tactic to many governments around the world.
- indoordin0saur 9mo agoIran is operating in at a scale so far beyond anything ever seen in the US that it's completely dishonest to compare the two.
- ekjhgkejhgk 9mo ago> indoordin0saur > Iran is operating in at a scale so far beyond anything ever seen in the US that it's completely dishonest to compare the two. The person you're responding to didn't mention the US, but it's telling that that's where your mind goes to.
- indoordin0saur 9mo agoAs someone else pointed out, the comment originally said that the US was doing the same thing as Iran before it was edited.
- ekjhgkejhgk 9mo agoOk, when you edit your comment I'll edit mine.
- bigyabai 9mo agoThe original read "Spine-chillingly familiar" verbatim. I did not claim that the US was doing the same thing as Iran, and I changed it to make that even more clear after you tried boxing me into your interpretation.
- mikestew 9mo agoNo comparison was made, you're just reading a lot into one sentence.
- jonas21 9mo agoThe top-level comment was edited. It originally said that it was chillingly familiar to us or something along those lines.
- mikestew 9mo agoAh, thanks for pointing this out.
- aprilthird2021 9mo agoI mean, that's because the US and UK are doing that right now. I don't agree they cannot be compared
- cinntaile 9mo agoNo they are not. Neither the UK nor the US are murdering protestors at any comparable scale at this point in time.
- reliabilityguy 9mo agoDo UK and the US import Iraqi militias to suppress local unrest?
- mindslight 9mo agoAs technologists, we're used to envisioning what things are like when they are scaled up.
- behnamoh 9mo agoIt's troubling that most of the free world stands by and watches as a genocidal-level massacre takes place in Iran. Persians don't expect China/Russia to respond, but come on, no action from the West? Imagine negotiating with Hitler to give up his V2 missiles and nuclear plans while the Holocaust was taking place. History will judge us for negotiating (and therefore, legitimizing) with the islamic regime that's occupied Iran for 47 years.
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- 2OEH8eoCRo0 9mo agoTalks with Iran were just called off and the US continues to flow military hardware to the area. I hope they take action against the regime soon.
- viccis 9mo ago>genocidal-level massacre "Genocidal" is not an order of magnitude; it's a description of purpose. What's going on in Iran is an atrocity, but it's not "genocidal." >History will judge us for negotiating We're not the world police.
- fragmede 9mo agoYes we are. You may not like it, you may not want to pay for it. You may even have voted to not be. But we have been in the past so the US will be judged for not picking up the mantle this time.
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- hashemian 9mo agoTextbook definition of taking something out of context. The full sentence is: > ‘If America attacks Iran,’ I said, ‘won’t people be killed?’ > ‘They don’t kill people. Our own government does. No enemy in our history has done to us what these clerics have done.’
- E-Reverance 9mo agoYou intentionally cut the sentence short, they phrased it that way for emphasis. Here is the full quote for less reactionary audiences: ‘They don’t kill people. Our own government does. No enemy in our history has done to us what these clerics have done.’
- lbrito 9mo agoDoesn't change how ridiculous the phrase is. "No enemy in our history..." really? Persia has a long, long history.
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- ghusto 9mo agoTalk to some Iranians. We would _welcome_ "imperialist" intervention. The black and white "west is bad" narrative you're being fed isn't accurate.
- twister727 9mo agoHow can you welcome imperalist intervention when the imperialists are the ones purposely causing (to a large extent) the economic instability? Just trying to understand.
- emilsedgh 9mo agoThey are not. It's the eastern imperialists that are causing this. And if it's a choice between eastern imperialists (China and Russia) and western ones, it seems that Iranian people by far prefer the western ones. For three main reasons. 1. Culturally Iranians are way more aligned with west. 2. Western imperialism results in more democracy. Not 100%, but not this bad. 3. Economically countries under west's influence do much better. Iran is extremely poor right now.
- twister727 9mo agoInteresting perspective! Why do you think China and Russia are causing the economic instability? I thought it was because of US sanctions and currency manipulation.
- Hikikomori 9mo agoDo you also think that the Iranian people supported the 1953 coup?
- kuboble 9mo agoAsk Poles. Some "west bad" rhetoric is that the fall of communism was orchestrated by Americans and not of organic local origin. In reality the communist regime protected by Russian/ soviet violence had no legitimacy or support from the population. Perhaps Poles could not free themselves without the western , maybe Cia played active role in organizing solidarity movement. If this is true then we Poles are forever grateful for orchestrating regime change in Poland in 1989.
- laweijfmvo 9mo agoI assume that the economic conditions are caused by the sanctions designed to force Iran to give up their nuclear ambitions? But that only works if the country actually cares about its people. Iran seems content to let them suffer (or kill them themselves). Is Iran destined to become the next North Korea? Will their oil save them from that?
- behnamoh 9mo ago> I assume that the economic conditions are caused by the sanctions designed to force Iran to give up their nuclear ambitions? No, that's the regime's excuse. Most electricity in the country is used by the regime to mine crypto (!).
- throw310822 9mo agoNevermind that Iran's nuclear ambitions had already been kept in check by a thorough program of inspections. Trump walked back on that, because the sanctions are an end in itself.
- reliabilityguy 9mo ago> Nevermind that Iran's nuclear ambitions had already been kept in check by a thorough program of inspections. This is incorrect. For example, the deal with Iran did not allow for surprise inspections.
- bigyabai 9mo agoBad example, the US has historically accommodated polities that refuse surprise inspections.
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- ClarityJones 9mo agoHow should readers assess the credibility of these claims that 12k, 36k, or 100k have been killed? I'm not there. I haven't seen anything with my own eyes. Should I expect that if the death toll reaches X, then Y form of evidence would make it out?
- observationist 9mo agoCredible reporting puts the number somewhere between 30-40k among the intelligence community - comments and discussions have happened in public, and various officials around the world have repeated that range several times over the last week or so. The information and sources are there for you to search, and it's up to you to determine who you find credible and why.
- epsters 9mo ago> Credible reporting puts the number somewhere between 30-40k among the intelligence community The same intelligence community bragging that they're embedded among the protestors and engaging in covert-action (oxymoronic as it sounds) to bring about regime change? https://archive.is/20251230221603/https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-881733 https://archive.is/20251230221603/https://www.jpost.com/midd... https://x.com/mikepompeo/status/2007180411638620659 https://x.com/mikepompeo/status/2007180411638620659 https://x.com/mikepompeo/status/2007180411638620659 https://x.com/mikepompeo/status/2007180411638620659
- polotics 9mo agoPompeo showing some impressive vicarious cosplay here.
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- maxglute 9mo agoStill blows my mind how NKR with all it's geologic limitations, or perhaps despite it, played their weak hand well while Iran squandered a much stronger hand. Too much oil and cultural/past hegemon hubris, the Ayatollah are not serious people. Nor the Iranian people who protest because lol the shah's son told them to (this article). They deserve each other. Frankly Iran is on Israel grass mowing schedule now - they didn't win the 12 day war, but demonstrated even incompetent Iran has latent ability to. IMO Iranian dissidents are dangerously naive to geopolitical reality, it's in no ones regional interest to do anything other than to keep Iran and by extension, Iranians down. At this point, if Iran serous about favourable regional lightcone, their only option is to ditch half measured authoritarian amateur hour and double down. Frankly they should have had their own firewall and purged libtard compradors 10+ years ago.