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I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminde

• _ink_ 9mo ago
  What setup comes close to Claude Code? I am willing to rent cloude GPUs.
• wahnfrieden 9mo ago
  OpenAI committed to allowing it btw. I don't know why Anthropic gets so much love here
  • rustyhancock 9mo ago
    Cause they make the best coding model. It's that simple. Everyone else is trying to compete in other ways and Anthropic are pushing for dominate the market. They'll eventually lose their performance edge and suddenly they will back to being cute and fluffy I've cancelled a clause sub, but still have one.
    • bheadmaster 9mo ago
      Agreed. I've tried all of the models available right now, and Claude Opus is by far the most capable. I had an assertion failure triggered in a fairly complex open-source C library I was using, and Claude Opus not only found the cause, but wrote a self-contained reproduction code I could add to a GitHub issue. And it also added tests for that issue, and fixed the underlying issue. I am sincerely impressed by the capabilities of Claude Opus. Too bad its usage is so expensive.
  • jmathai 9mo ago
    Probably because the alternatives are OpenAI, Google, Meta. Not throwing shade at those companies but it's not hard to win the hearts of developers when that's your competition.
  • cedws 9mo ago
    Thanks, I’ll try out Codex to bridge until local models get to the level I need.
  • varispeed 9mo ago
    On the other hand I feel like 5.2 gets progressively dumbed down. It used to work well, but now initial few prompts go in right direction and then it goes off the rails reminding me more of a GPT-3.5. I wonder what they are up to.
  • teratron27 9mo ago
    Because OpenAI is on the back foot at the moment, they need the retention
  • falloutx 9mo ago
    Anthropic is astroturfing most of the programming forums including this one.
• tomashubelbauer 9mo ago
  Anthropic banned my account when I whipped up a solution to control Claude Code running on my Mac from my phone when I'm out and about. No commercial angle, just a tool I made for myself since they wouldn't ship this feature (and still haven't). I wasn't their biggest fanboy to begin with, but it gave me the kick in the butt needed to go and explore alternatives until local models get good enough that I don't need to use hosted models altogether.
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  • RationPhantoms 9mo ago
    There is weaponized malaise employed by these frontier model providers and I feel like that dark-pattern, what you pointed out, and others are employed to rate-limit certain subscriptions.
    • bri3d 9mo ago
      They have two products: * Subscription plans, which are (probably) subsidized and definitely oversubscribed (ie, 100% of subscribers could not use 100% of their tokens 100% of the time). * Wholesale tokens, which are (probably) profitable. If you try to use one product as the other product, it breaks their assumptions and business model. I don't really see how this is weaponized malaise; capacity planning and some form of over-subscription is a widely accepted thing in every industry and product in the universe?
      • tomashubelbauer 9mo ago
        I am curious to see how this will pan out long-term. Is the quality gap of Opus-4.5 over GPT-5.2 large enough to overcome the fact that OpenAI has merged these two bullet points into one? I think Anthropic might have bet on no other frontier lab daring to disconnect their subscription from their in-house coding agent and OpenAI called their bluff to get some free marketing following Anthropic's crackdown on OpenCode.
• giancarlostoro 9mo ago
  I do wonder if they locked things down due to people abusing their CC token.
  • whywhywhywhy 9mo ago
    Taking umbrage as if it matters how I use the compute I'm paying for via the harness they want me to use it within as long as I'm just doing personal tasks I want to do for myself, not trying to power an apps API with it seems such a waste of their time to be focusing on and only causes brand perception damage with their customers. Could have just turned a blind eye.
  • echelon 9mo ago
    The loss of access shows the kind of power they'll have in the future. It's just a taste of what's to come. If a company is going to automate our jobs, we shouldn't be giving them money and data to do so. They're using us to put ourselves out of work, and they're not giving us the keys. I'm fine with non-local, open weights models. Not everything has to run on a local GPU, but it has to be something we can own. I'd like a large, non-local Qwen3-Coder that I can launch in a RunPod or similar instance. I think on-demand non-local cloud compute can serve as a middle ground.
    • derac 8mo ago
      Kimi k2.5 is a good choice.
  • cedws 9mo ago
    In what way would it be abused? The usage limits apply all the same, they aren't client side, and hitting that limit is within the terms of the agreement with Anthropic.
    • bri3d 9mo ago
      The subscription services have assumptions baked in about the usage patterns; they're oversubscribed and subsidized. If 100% of subscriber customers use 100% of their tokens 100% of the time, their business model breaks. That's what wholesale / API tokens are for. > hitting that limit is within the terms of the agreement with Anthropic It's not, because the agreement says you can only use CC.
• disiplus 9mo ago
  im downloading it as we speek to try to run it on a 32gb 5090 + 128gb ddr5 i will compare it to glm 4.7-flash that was my local model of choice
  • wilkystyle 9mo ago
    Interested to hear how this goes!
  • gitpusher 9mo ago
    Likewise curious to hear how it goes! 80B seems too big for a 5090, I'd be surprised if it runs well un-quantized.
• Alxc1 9mo ago
  I must have missed it, but what did Claude disable access for? Last I checked Cline and Claude Max still worked.
  • hnrodey 9mo ago
    OpenCode
    • stevejb 9mo ago
      Is this still the case? Is Anthropic still not allowing access to OpenCode?
      • cedws 9mo ago
        Officially, it's against TOS. I'm told you can still make it work by adding this to ~/.config/opencode/opencode.json but it risks a ban and you definitely shouldn't do it. { "plugin": [ "opencode-anthropic-auth@latest" ] }
        • stevejb 9mo ago
          Ah interesting. I have been using OpenCode more and more and I prefer it to Claude Code. I use OpenCode with Sonnet and/or Opus (among other models) with Bedrock, but paying metered rates for Opus is a way to go bankrupt fast!
        • fc417fc802 9mo ago
          Just like I shouldn't use an unofficial play store client, right? No one would ever do that.
    • nullbyte 9mo ago
      Protip for Mac people: If OpenCode looks weird in your terminal, you need to use a terminal app with truecolor support. It looks very janky on ANSI terminals but it's beautiful on truecolor. I recommend Ghostty for Mac users. Alacritty probably works too.
• jstummbillig 9mo ago
  > I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour You are doing that all the time. You just draw the line, arbitrarily.
  • tclancy 9mo ago
    The enemy of done is perfect, etc. what is the point of comments like this?
    • jstummbillig 9mo ago
      What is the point of any of this? To exchange how we think about things. I think virtue signaling is boring and uncandid.
      • tclancy 9mo ago
        Unclench and stop seeing everything as virtual signaling. What about al those White Knight, SJWs in the 70s who were against leaded gas? Still virtue signaling?
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      • InsideOutSanta 9mo ago
        But you are virtue-signalling, too, based on your own definition of virtuous behavior. In fact, you're doing nothing else. You're not contributing anything of value to the discussion.
  • mannanj 9mo ago
    That's great, yes. We all draw the line somewhere, subjectively. We all pretend we follow logic and reason and lets all be more honest and truthfully share how we as humans are emotionally driven not logically driven. It's like this old adage "Our brains are poor masters and great slaves". We are basically just wanting to survive and we've trained ourselves to follow the orders of our old corporate slave masters who are now failing us, and we are unfortunately out of fear paying and supporting anticompetitive behavior and our internal dissonance is stopping us from changing it (along with fear of survival and missing out and so forth). The global marketing by the slave master class isn't helping. We can draw a line however arbitrary we'd like though and its still better and more helpful than complaining "you drew a line arbitrarily" and not actually doing any of the hard courageous work of drawing lines of any kind in the first place.
• ad 9mo ago
  which tools?
• aljgz 9mo ago
  You gave up some convenience to avoid voting for a bad practice with your wallet. I admire this, try to consistently do this when reasonably feasible. Problem is, most people don't do this, choosing convenience at any given moment without thinking about longer-term impact. This hurts us collectively by letting governments/companies, etc tighten their grip over time. This comes from my lived experience.
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  • gloomyday 9mo ago
    Society is lacking people that stand up for something. My efforts to consume less is seen as being cheap by my family, which I find so sad. I much prefer donating my money than exchanging superfluous gifts on Christmas.
  • pluralmonad 9mo ago
    As I get older I more and more view convenience as the enemy of good. Luckily (or unluckily for some) a lot of the tradeoffs we are asked to make in the name of convenience are increasingly absurd. I have an easier and easier time going without these Faustian bargains.
    • aljgz 9mo ago
      IMHO The question is: who is in control? The user, or the profit-seeking company/control-seeking government? There is nothing we can do to prevent companies from seeking profit. What we can do is to prefer tools that we control, if that choice is not available, then tools that we can abandon when we want, over tools that remove our control AND abandoning them would be prohibitively difficult.
• thedangler 9mo ago
  How are you using the huge models locally?
• throwup238 9mo ago
  Did they actually say that? I thought they rolled it back. OpenCode et al continue to work with my Max subscription.
• skapadia 9mo ago
  Claude Opus 4.5 by far is the most capable development model. I've been using it mainly via Claude Code, and with Cursor. I agree anticompetitive behavior is bad, but the productivity gains to be had by using Anthropic models and tools are undeniable. Eventually the open tools and models will catch up, so I'm all for using them locally as well, especially if sensitive data or IP is involved.
  • vercaemert 9mo ago
    I'd encourage you to try the -codex family with the highest reasoning. I can't comment on Opus in CC because I've never bit the bullet and paid the subscription, but I have worked my way up to the $200/month Cursor subscription and the 5.2 codex models blow Opus out of the water in my experience (obviously very subjective). I arrived at making plans with Opus and then implementing with the OpenAI model. The speed of Opus is much better for planning. I'm willing to believe that CC/Opus is truly the overall best; I'm only commenting because you mentioned Cursor, where I'm fairly confident it's not. I'm basing my judgement on "how frequently does it do what I want the first time".
    • eadwu 9mo ago
      I've tried nearly all the models, they all work best if and only if you will never handle the code ever again. They suck if you have a solution and want them to implement that solution. I've tried explaining the implementation word and word and it still prefers to create a whole new implementation reimplementing some parts instead of just doing what I tell it to. The only time it works is if I actually give it the code but at that point there's no reason to use it. There's nothing wrong with this approach if it actually had guarantees, but current models are an extremely bad fit for it.
      • teaearlgraycold 9mo ago
        There are domains of programming (web front end) where lots of requests can be done pretty well even when you want them done a certain way. Not all, but enough to make it a great tool.
• dirkc 9mo ago
  Access is one of my concerns with coding agents - on the one hand I think they make coding much more accessible to people who aren't developers - on the other hand this access is managed by commercial entities and can be suspended for any reason. I can also imagine a dysfunctional future where a developers spend half their time convincing their AI agents that the software they're writing is actually aligned with the model's set of values
• rschachte 9mo ago
  Easy to use a local proxy to use other models with CC. Wrote a basic working one using Claude. LiteLLM is also good. But I agree, fuck their mindset
• Aurornis 9mo ago
  > Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools To be clear, since this confuses a lot of people in every thread: Anthropic will let you use their API with any coding tools you want. You just have to go through the public API and pay the same rate as everyone else. They have not "blocked" or "banned" any coding tools from using their API, even though a lot of the clickbait headlines have tried to insinuate as much. Anthropic never sold subscription plans as being usable with anything other than their own tools. They were specifically offered as a way to use their own apps for a flat monthly fee. They obviously set the limits and pricing according to typical use patterns of these tools, because the typical users aren't maxing out their credits in every usage window. Some of the open source tools reverse engineered the protocol (which wasn't hard) and people started using the plans with other tools. This situation went on for a while without enforcement until it got too big to ignore, and they began protecting the private endpoints explicitly. The subscription plans were never sold as a way to use the API with other programs, but I think they let it slide for a while because it was only a small number of people doing it. Once the tools started getting more popular they started closing loopholes to use the private API with other tools, which shouldn't really come as a surprise.
  • huevosabio 9mo ago
    Yes, exactly. The discourse has been so far off the rails now.
  • ericd 9mo ago
    The anticompetitive part is setting a much lower price for typical usage of Claude Code vs. typical usage of another CLI dev tool.
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    • gehsty 9mo ago
      Anticompetitive with themselves? It’s not like Claude / Anthropic have any kind of monopoly, and services companies are allowed to charge different rates for different kind of access to said service?
• logicallee 9mo ago
  What do you require local models to do? The State of Utopia[1] is currently busy porting a small model to run in a zero-trust environment - your web browser. It's finished the port in javascript and is going to wasm now for the CPU path. you can see it being livecoded by Claude right now[2] (this is day 2, day 1 it ported the C++ code to javascript successfully). We are curious to know what permissions you would like to grant such a model and how you would like it served to you. (For example, we consider that you wouldn't trust a Go build - especially if it's built by a nation state, regardless of our branding, practices, members or contributors.) Please list what capabilities you would like our local model to have and how you would like to have it served to you. [1] a sovereign digital nation built on a national framework rather than a for-profit or even non-profit framework, will be available at https://stateofutopia.com https://stateofutopia.com (you can see some of my recent posts or comments here on HN.) [2] https://www.youtube.com/live/0psQ2l4-USo?si=RVt2PhGy_A4nYFPi https://www.youtube.com/live/0psQ2l4-USo?si=RVt2PhGy_A4nYFPi