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Actual shootings with 3D printed guns are relatively rare but it’s come up because Luigi Mangione killed the United Healthcare CEO with one.

TehCorwiz 8mo ago
And they're still doing anything except addressing the grievances that lead to that. EDIT: I think you mean "allegedly"
- BobaFloutist 8mo ago
  Right, because most people recognize that the US has become sufficiently polarized and radicalized that "If enough people are mad at you, a complete stranger might shoot you" is not a theory of change we want to encourage. Yes, even for causes we agree with, most adults in the room understand that "people being mad at you" is pretty independent of how righteous your cause is, and even how civil and thoughtful you are in pursuing it.
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  - _heimdall 8mo ago
    Are you claiming that the most likely proximal cause for his murder was the legal ability to print a gun rather than any concerns or grievances the shooter may have had related to the healthcare industry or United Healthcare specifically?
    - BobaFloutist 8mo ago
      Yes, I think access to firearms affects the murder rate.
      - _heimdall 8mo ago
        That wasn't the topic though. Are you saying the United Health CEO's murder was motivated primarily by access to printing guns on a 3d printer?
        BobaFloutist 8mo ago
        I didn't say anything about motivation, I'm explaining why people didn't try addressing the assassin's complaints as a way to avoid a future repeat.
    - 9875325996435 8mo ago
      Won't someone think of the grievances that poor far-left terrorist had this vermin murdered Brian Thompson :'(
  - cucumber3732842 8mo ago
    >because most people recognize that the US has become sufficiently polarized and radicalized that "If enough people are mad at you, a complete stranger might shoot you" is not a theory of change we want to encourage. God forbid individuals and organizations not choose paths of action that "low level piss off" millions of people such that their chance of being at the business end of some outlier who will actually do violence upon them is non-trivial. It's not hard to not be "the thing" in any given crazy's life they choose to go out with a bang over, especially if you're not something they deal with every day. If that means that the default amount of screwage your organization applies needs to be dialed back, or that you must clean house a little better or more often then cry me a river. >most adults in the room understand that "people being mad at you" is pretty independent of how righteous your cause is Except it's not. The "budget" you have to wrong people and cause despair before people would be apathetic to violence done upon you is pretty directly coupled to the amount of good you do to offset your harm.
    - BobaFloutist 8mo ago
      >It's not hard to not be "the thing" in any given crazy's life they choose to go out with a bang over > The "budget" you have to wrong people and cause despair before people would be apathetic to violence done upon you is pretty directly coupled to the amount of good you do to offset your harm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Abraham_Lincoln https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Abraham_Linco... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kenne... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_John_Lennon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_John_Lennon Agree to disagree. I'm not willing to trust the judgement of those most willing to commit gun violence as to whom deserves gun violence.
- tbrownaw 8mo ago
  > doing anything except addressing the grievances that lead to that. Well yeah, it's not exactly easy to get everyone to understand that insurance isn't magic and money out has to match money in.
  - freeopinion 8mo ago
    Money out had better not match money in or the insurance company will be in a lot of trouble.
    - brewdad 8mo ago
      Imagine if we removed the need for insurance to turn a profit.
      - NoMoreNicksLeft 8mo ago
        Imagine if we removed the need for life to turn a caloric profit.
  - gretch 8mo ago
    According to this source, united healthcare profits were $14B in 2024. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/unitedhealth-unh-2024-record-revenue/737477/ https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/unitedhealth-unh-2024-re... So yeah, money out not matching money in is exactly the problem.
    - tbrownaw 8mo ago
      So a bit under 5% per the rest of the numbers in that link.
      - delecti 8mo ago
        I can't find the detailed breakdown for 2025, but in 2024, they took in $308bn in premiums and paid out $264bn in medical costs. So even ignoring all of the downstream and systemic problems caused by insurance existing as a for-profit entity, they're taking 14% off the top just to exist as a middle-man. https://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/content/dam/UHG/PDF/investors/2024/2025-16-01-uhg-reports-fourth-quarter-results.pdf https://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/content/dam/UHG/PDF/invest...
BanazirGalbasi 8mo ago
That case started over a year ago, I would have expected the topic to come up long ago if this was motivated by the shooting. Granted, lawmaking takes longer than public sentiment lasts, but I didn't really hear much about 3D-printed guns at the time.
- kube-system 8mo ago
  NY legislators have been pushing for this in public statements over the past year. e.g. https://d12t4t5x3vyizu.cloudfront.net/ritchietorres.house.gov/uploads/2024/12/Letter-to-Governor-Hocul-re-Ghost-Gun-Loophole.pdf https://d12t4t5x3vyizu.cloudfront.net/ritchietorres.house.go...
brewdad 8mo ago
Given the potential chain of custody issues, I'm not sure we can be certain a 3D printed gun was involved at all.
ragazzina 8mo ago
>Luigi Mangione killed the United Healthcare CEO with one Do you have any source?

TehCorwiz 8mo ago

And they're still doing anything except addressing the grievances that lead to that. EDIT: I think you mean "allegedly"

BobaFloutist 8mo ago
Right, because most people recognize that the US has become sufficiently polarized and radicalized that "If enough people are mad at you, a complete stranger might shoot you" is not a theory of change we want to encourage. Yes, even for causes we agree with, most adults in the room understand that "people being mad at you" is pretty independent of how righteous your cause is, and even how civil and thoughtful you are in pursuing it.
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- _heimdall 8mo ago
  Are you claiming that the most likely proximal cause for his murder was the legal ability to print a gun rather than any concerns or grievances the shooter may have had related to the healthcare industry or United Healthcare specifically?
  - BobaFloutist 8mo ago
    Yes, I think access to firearms affects the murder rate.
    - _heimdall 8mo ago
      That wasn't the topic though. Are you saying the United Health CEO's murder was motivated primarily by access to printing guns on a 3d printer?
      - BobaFloutist 8mo ago
        I didn't say anything about motivation, I'm explaining why people didn't try addressing the assassin's complaints as a way to avoid a future repeat.
  - 9875325996435 8mo ago
    Won't someone think of the grievances that poor far-left terrorist had this vermin murdered Brian Thompson :'(
- cucumber3732842 8mo ago
  >because most people recognize that the US has become sufficiently polarized and radicalized that "If enough people are mad at you, a complete stranger might shoot you" is not a theory of change we want to encourage. God forbid individuals and organizations not choose paths of action that "low level piss off" millions of people such that their chance of being at the business end of some outlier who will actually do violence upon them is non-trivial. It's not hard to not be "the thing" in any given crazy's life they choose to go out with a bang over, especially if you're not something they deal with every day. If that means that the default amount of screwage your organization applies needs to be dialed back, or that you must clean house a little better or more often then cry me a river. >most adults in the room understand that "people being mad at you" is pretty independent of how righteous your cause is Except it's not. The "budget" you have to wrong people and cause despair before people would be apathetic to violence done upon you is pretty directly coupled to the amount of good you do to offset your harm.
  - BobaFloutist 8mo ago
    >It's not hard to not be "the thing" in any given crazy's life they choose to go out with a bang over > The "budget" you have to wrong people and cause despair before people would be apathetic to violence done upon you is pretty directly coupled to the amount of good you do to offset your harm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Abraham_Lincoln https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Abraham_Linco... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kenne... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_John_Lennon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_John_Lennon Agree to disagree. I'm not willing to trust the judgement of those most willing to commit gun violence as to whom deserves gun violence.
tbrownaw 8mo ago
> doing anything except addressing the grievances that lead to that. Well yeah, it's not exactly easy to get everyone to understand that insurance isn't magic and money out has to match money in.
- freeopinion 8mo ago
  Money out had better not match money in or the insurance company will be in a lot of trouble.
  - brewdad 8mo ago
    Imagine if we removed the need for insurance to turn a profit.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 8mo ago
      Imagine if we removed the need for life to turn a caloric profit.
- gretch 8mo ago
  According to this source, united healthcare profits were $14B in 2024. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/unitedhealth-unh-2024-record-revenue/737477/ https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/unitedhealth-unh-2024-re... So yeah, money out not matching money in is exactly the problem.
  - tbrownaw 8mo ago
    So a bit under 5% per the rest of the numbers in that link.
    - delecti 8mo ago
      I can't find the detailed breakdown for 2025, but in 2024, they took in $308bn in premiums and paid out $264bn in medical costs. So even ignoring all of the downstream and systemic problems caused by insurance existing as a for-profit entity, they're taking 14% off the top just to exist as a middle-man. https://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/content/dam/UHG/PDF/investors/2024/2025-16-01-uhg-reports-fourth-quarter-results.pdf https://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/content/dam/UHG/PDF/invest...

BanazirGalbasi 8mo ago

That case started over a year ago, I would have expected the topic to come up long ago if this was motivated by the shooting. Granted, lawmaking takes longer than public sentiment lasts, but I didn't really hear much about 3D-printed guns at the time.

kube-system 8mo ago
NY legislators have been pushing for this in public statements over the past year. e.g. https://d12t4t5x3vyizu.cloudfront.net/ritchietorres.house.gov/uploads/2024/12/Letter-to-Governor-Hocul-re-Ghost-Gun-Loophole.pdf https://d12t4t5x3vyizu.cloudfront.net/ritchietorres.house.go...

brewdad 8mo ago

Given the potential chain of custody issues, I'm not sure we can be certain a 3D printed gun was involved at all.

ragazzina 8mo ago

>Luigi Mangione killed the United Healthcare CEO with one Do you have any source?