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X offices raided in France

289 points by labrador 8mo ago

rurban 8mo ago
@dang The title here is misleading. The original not. X didn't raid the prosecutors offices, the prosecutors did
- alexrson 8mo ago
  I think they meant to put a period after raided.
  - labrador 8mo ago
    Fixed. That period was one char too long but I used an "&" instead of "and" to fix it.
    - deleted 8mo ago
      [deleted]
- postalrat 8mo ago
  What X and why did the prosecutors raid their own office?
  - chihuahua 8mo ago
    Some people are calling Twitter "X". The second part of your question remains a mystery :-)
- latexr 8mo ago
  @mentions aren’t a thing on HN. To contact the moderators, email hn@ycombinator.com (contact is at the bottom of the page).
ChrisArchitect 8mo ago
[dupe] Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46868998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46868998
- tomhow 8mo ago
  Comments moved thither. Thanks!
orwin 8mo ago
Ok, that's the second article on this that doesn't mention how it works in France. I will explain because I see a lot of post that could be better if their author understood that the French system isn't the US system. France 'prosecutor' role is divided in two: one is called 'procureur' and represent the state, but is chosen among judges by the executive power. The second is 'juge d'instruction' and represent the judiciary. They are chosen nominated by the local court without any executive power involvement. They lead the investigation, they order the raids, they order the arrest etc, without involvement from the 'procureur'. The 'procureur' ask for a 'juge d'instruction' to lead an investigation on X/Y or Z (this fucking company name makes everything worse FFS). The judge will then collect evidence, for and against the procureur case, and then if necessary will ask for raids and auditions to finalise. When that's done and all the new evidence is collected (it can take on average 2 years, but if it's an international case like for our ex-president, it can take 10+), the 'juge d'instruction' will present all the gathered evidence to the procureur (who will decide to pursue or not) _and_ the accused. This system exists to avoid as much as possible the executive (police and politicians) to use investigations as a scare tactic. Of course the magistrates know each other, and both corruption and influence is possible, and maybe that's the case here, but you ought to know the raid can't be at the behest of the procureur/president. We take separation of powers seriously here
- fluoridation 8mo ago
  What's the distinction you're making between "state" and "judiciary"?
  - pyrale 8mo ago
    Traditionally, in France, l’État (likely translated into "the state" here) refers to the national-level executive branch.
  - looperhacks 8mo ago
    The procureur is part of the executive, and thus represents, and is directed by, the government. The other is independent from the executive, as part of the judicary branch.

289 points by labrador 8mo ago

rurban 8mo ago

@dang The title here is misleading. The original not. X didn't raid the prosecutors offices, the prosecutors did

alexrson 8mo ago
I think they meant to put a period after raided.
- labrador 8mo ago
  Fixed. That period was one char too long but I used an "&" instead of "and" to fix it.
  - deleted 8mo ago
    [deleted]
postalrat 8mo ago
What X and why did the prosecutors raid their own office?
- chihuahua 8mo ago
  Some people are calling Twitter "X". The second part of your question remains a mystery :-)
latexr 8mo ago
@mentions aren’t a thing on HN. To contact the moderators, email hn@ycombinator.com (contact is at the bottom of the page).

ChrisArchitect 8mo ago

[dupe] Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46868998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46868998

tomhow 8mo ago
Comments moved thither. Thanks!

orwin 8mo ago

Ok, that's the second article on this that doesn't mention how it works in France. I will explain because I see a lot of post that could be better if their author understood that the French system isn't the US system. France 'prosecutor' role is divided in two: one is called 'procureur' and represent the state, but is chosen among judges by the executive power. The second is 'juge d'instruction' and represent the judiciary. They are chosen nominated by the local court without any executive power involvement. They lead the investigation, they order the raids, they order the arrest etc, without involvement from the 'procureur'. The 'procureur' ask for a 'juge d'instruction' to lead an investigation on X/Y or Z (this fucking company name makes everything worse FFS). The judge will then collect evidence, for and against the procureur case, and then if necessary will ask for raids and auditions to finalise. When that's done and all the new evidence is collected (it can take on average 2 years, but if it's an international case like for our ex-president, it can take 10+), the 'juge d'instruction' will present all the gathered evidence to the procureur (who will decide to pursue or not) _and_ the accused. This system exists to avoid as much as possible the executive (police and politicians) to use investigations as a scare tactic. Of course the magistrates know each other, and both corruption and influence is possible, and maybe that's the case here, but you ought to know the raid can't be at the behest of the procureur/president. We take separation of powers seriously here

fluoridation 8mo ago
What's the distinction you're making between "state" and "judiciary"?
- pyrale 8mo ago
  Traditionally, in France, l’État (likely translated into "the state" here) refers to the national-level executive branch.
- looperhacks 8mo ago
  The procureur is part of the executive, and thus represents, and is directed by, the government. The other is independent from the executive, as part of the judicary branch.