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So is tobacco ok if it's local? I eat mostly local food and once in a while someone offers me some locally farmed tobacco and I try it. That's not "industry" bu

So is tobacco ok if it's local? I eat mostly local food and once in a while someone offers me some locally farmed tobacco and I try it. That's not "industry" but it's also probably not great for me.

4gotunameagain 8mo ago
Yeah, local organic cyanide is good as well.
gostsamo 8mo ago
kill this strawman! don't let it hit back at you.
- h33t-l4x0r 8mo ago
  No, the strawman's ok. Anyway he only comes once a month, and I only feed his goods to my goat.
teekert 8mo ago
It's definitely "not great" for you. But there is also not an entire industry spending big bucks trying to get you addicted (and it sounds you do it every now and then, so that's not so bad). So there is a difference imho.
unglaublich 8mo ago
Plain tobacco leaves are much less dangerous for your health than the highly engineered commercial cigarettes that have additives that increase addictiveness, inhibit coughing, "improve taste", improve shelf life, etc.
- smt88 8mo ago
  This is absolutely wrong[1]. Please don't spread dangerous falsehoods without researching first. Even American Spirit's website denies that "organic" or natural tobacco is any safer. 1. https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/products-ingredients-components/chemicals-every-tobacco-plant https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/products-ingredients-co...
  - h33t-l4x0r 8mo ago
    That article suggests that toxic chemicals are sometimes found where tobacco grows, but that would not be the case for my neighbor (I hope).
    - cobblestone32 8mo ago
      Well... > In pure form, nicotine is a colorless to yellowish, oily liquid that readily penetrates biological membranes and acts as a potent neurotoxin in insects, where it serves as a antiherbivore toxin.
      - deaux 8mo ago
        Can't similar be said for capsaicin?
  - shawabawa3 8mo ago
    Note that it doesn't deny that it's _any safer_. It says it's still not safe These are not the same thing It's likely safer but not meaningfully enough to make much difference, as it's still obviously very bad for you
    - smt88 8mo ago
      > It's likely safer but not meaningfully enough to make much difference, as it's still obviously very bad for you There's no evidence that it's safer at all. Reynolds lost a big lawsuit over its American Spirit brand implying that their cigarettes are safer. If they could have provided evidence to the contrary, they would have. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2000/04/ftc-accepts-settlements-charges-alternative-cigarette-ads-are-deceptive https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2000/04/...
    - array_key_first 8mo ago
      I doubt it's likely at all. The thing that makes tobacco dangerous is high temperature combustion and nicotine. You get BOTH in natural tobacco. The thousands of "chemicals" from cigarettes are not put in there. They come from combustion. Setting shit on fire makes chemicals turn into other chemicals, some of them very harmful. That's why many survivors of 9/11 later died from lung cancer.
- iberator 8mo ago
  Citation needed. Cigarettes have one huge advantage: filter.
  - cobblestone32 8mo ago
    Here's a citation about filters. > The overwhelming majority of independent research shows that filters do not reduce the harms associated with smoking - a fact understood by tobacco industry scientists in the 1960s. In fact, filters may increase the harms caused by smoking by enabling smokers to inhale smoke more deeply into their lungs. Also, plain common sense will tell you that inhaling toxic smoke through a small piece of paper is not much healthier than inhaling toxic smoke directly. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9340047/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9340047/
smt88 8mo ago
The problem is when someone makes a profit from your use of that tobacco, especially if they aren't covering the enormous costs of your premature illness or death
nkrisc 8mo ago
Smoking anything is bad for you.
_heimdall 8mo ago
If you were to grow, dry, and roll your own tobacco it absolutely would be better for you than cigarettes. "Ok" is a judgment call so that's up to you.

So is tobacco ok if it's local? I eat mostly local food and once in a while someone offers me some locally farmed tobacco and I try it. That's not "industry" but it's also probably not great for me.

4gotunameagain 8mo ago

Yeah, local organic cyanide is good as well.

gostsamo 8mo ago

kill this strawman! don't let it hit back at you.

h33t-l4x0r 8mo ago
No, the strawman's ok. Anyway he only comes once a month, and I only feed his goods to my goat.

teekert 8mo ago

It's definitely "not great" for you. But there is also not an entire industry spending big bucks trying to get you addicted (and it sounds you do it every now and then, so that's not so bad). So there is a difference imho.

unglaublich 8mo ago

Plain tobacco leaves are much less dangerous for your health than the highly engineered commercial cigarettes that have additives that increase addictiveness, inhibit coughing, "improve taste", improve shelf life, etc.

smt88 8mo ago
This is absolutely wrong[1]. Please don't spread dangerous falsehoods without researching first. Even American Spirit's website denies that "organic" or natural tobacco is any safer. 1. https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/products-ingredients-components/chemicals-every-tobacco-plant https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/products-ingredients-co...
- h33t-l4x0r 8mo ago
  That article suggests that toxic chemicals are sometimes found where tobacco grows, but that would not be the case for my neighbor (I hope).
  - cobblestone32 8mo ago
    Well... > In pure form, nicotine is a colorless to yellowish, oily liquid that readily penetrates biological membranes and acts as a potent neurotoxin in insects, where it serves as a antiherbivore toxin.
    - deaux 8mo ago
      Can't similar be said for capsaicin?
- shawabawa3 8mo ago
  Note that it doesn't deny that it's _any safer_. It says it's still not safe These are not the same thing It's likely safer but not meaningfully enough to make much difference, as it's still obviously very bad for you
  - smt88 8mo ago
    > It's likely safer but not meaningfully enough to make much difference, as it's still obviously very bad for you There's no evidence that it's safer at all. Reynolds lost a big lawsuit over its American Spirit brand implying that their cigarettes are safer. If they could have provided evidence to the contrary, they would have. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2000/04/ftc-accepts-settlements-charges-alternative-cigarette-ads-are-deceptive https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2000/04/...
  - array_key_first 8mo ago
    I doubt it's likely at all. The thing that makes tobacco dangerous is high temperature combustion and nicotine. You get BOTH in natural tobacco. The thousands of "chemicals" from cigarettes are not put in there. They come from combustion. Setting shit on fire makes chemicals turn into other chemicals, some of them very harmful. That's why many survivors of 9/11 later died from lung cancer.
iberator 8mo ago
Citation needed. Cigarettes have one huge advantage: filter.
- cobblestone32 8mo ago
  Here's a citation about filters. > The overwhelming majority of independent research shows that filters do not reduce the harms associated with smoking - a fact understood by tobacco industry scientists in the 1960s. In fact, filters may increase the harms caused by smoking by enabling smokers to inhale smoke more deeply into their lungs. Also, plain common sense will tell you that inhaling toxic smoke through a small piece of paper is not much healthier than inhaling toxic smoke directly. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9340047/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9340047/

smt88 8mo ago

The problem is when someone makes a profit from your use of that tobacco, especially if they aren't covering the enormous costs of your premature illness or death

nkrisc 8mo ago

Smoking anything is bad for you.

_heimdall 8mo ago

If you were to grow, dry, and roll your own tobacco it absolutely would be better for you than cigarettes. "Ok" is a judgment call so that's up to you.