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- 2D ID photo vs 3D scan - ID photo is x years out of date - old identifying info + new identifying info is more valuable than just old identifying info - if

- 2D ID photo vs 3D scan - ID photo is x years out of date - old identifying info + new identifying info is more valuable than just old identifying info - if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it? they can just not collect it, since it doesn't matter.

raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
Neither does a 3D scan like an iPhone. As far as facial recognition better because it has up to date pictures. This has been solved without up to date pictures for years. My phone can - on device recognize my son from the time he was 9 to today at 25. If my phone can do it on device, do you think this is a hard problem on a server farm?
- anonymars 9mo ago
  I'm quite perplexed on what point you are trying to make by dying on this hill. That this does solve some hidden problem? ("if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it?") That folks should be conditioned to freely provide any data, scan, or biometrics upon request? When the government says "jump", always ask "how high"?
  - raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
    Yes it’s just as meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera, any bad actor that can access your camera can also access your microphone and you can get a lot more information from a microphone.
    - anonymars 9mo ago
      > meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera I don't think anyone ever shared a naked picture taken with a microphone (semi-related: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-body-scans-many.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-bo...). I don't think it's terribly rare to join a meeting not realizing that the camera option was still on (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-humiliating-webcam-chats-naked-shower-livestreamed-funeral.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-...) It's also not clear what this has to do with the TSA taking pictures at the airport. At this point I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of argument
      - raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        It’s privacy concern theatre without comprehending how good modern facial recognition is from one photo even when running locally on a modern smart phone. The TSA already knows you are on the airplane regardless. Just like covering up a camera from a bad actor on a laptop does little good compared to the information that can be gleaned by a microphone - the same with a phone.
        anonymars 9mo ago
        Well, the type of people who think otherwise got the nude body scanners stopped back in the day (https://www.wired.com/2013/01/tsa-abandons-nude-scanners/ https://www.wired.com/2013/01/tsa-abandons-nude-scanners/) Meanwhile it's not clear what it accomplishes to spend time advocating that the slightest pushback on any of this is pointless
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        Yes and the people who think that vaccines cause autism are now in power trying to kill vaccines…
        anonymars 9mo ago
        You are in good faith equating TSA face scans and body scans with vaccination? While at the same time arguing that they already know you're there, already have your picture from your id, and don't need updated pictures for better facial recognition?
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        Yes it’s both as illogical and neither is based on facts on the ground

raw_anon_1111 9mo ago

Neither does a 3D scan like an iPhone. As far as facial recognition better because it has up to date pictures. This has been solved without up to date pictures for years. My phone can - on device recognize my son from the time he was 9 to today at 25. If my phone can do it on device, do you think this is a hard problem on a server farm?

anonymars 9mo ago
I'm quite perplexed on what point you are trying to make by dying on this hill. That this does solve some hidden problem? ("if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it?") That folks should be conditioned to freely provide any data, scan, or biometrics upon request? When the government says "jump", always ask "how high"?
- raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
  Yes it’s just as meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera, any bad actor that can access your camera can also access your microphone and you can get a lot more information from a microphone.
  - anonymars 9mo ago
    > meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera I don't think anyone ever shared a naked picture taken with a microphone (semi-related: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-body-scans-many.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-bo...). I don't think it's terribly rare to join a meeting not realizing that the camera option was still on (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-humiliating-webcam-chats-naked-shower-livestreamed-funeral.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-...) It's also not clear what this has to do with the TSA taking pictures at the airport. At this point I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of argument
    - raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
      It’s privacy concern theatre without comprehending how good modern facial recognition is from one photo even when running locally on a modern smart phone. The TSA already knows you are on the airplane regardless. Just like covering up a camera from a bad actor on a laptop does little good compared to the information that can be gleaned by a microphone - the same with a phone.
      - anonymars 9mo ago
        Well, the type of people who think otherwise got the nude body scanners stopped back in the day (https://www.wired.com/2013/01/tsa-abandons-nude-scanners/ https://www.wired.com/2013/01/tsa-abandons-nude-scanners/) Meanwhile it's not clear what it accomplishes to spend time advocating that the slightest pushback on any of this is pointless
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        Yes and the people who think that vaccines cause autism are now in power trying to kill vaccines…
        anonymars 9mo ago
        You are in good faith equating TSA face scans and body scans with vaccination? While at the same time arguing that they already know you're there, already have your picture from your id, and don't need updated pictures for better facial recognition?
        raw_anon_1111 9mo ago
        Yes it’s both as illogical and neither is based on facts on the ground