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https://github.com/sponsors/sudo-project https://github.com/sponsors/sudo-project Can donate there. My bank account is basically empty but I will contribute a

by ilaksh 9mo ago

https://github.com/sponsors/sudo-project https://github.com/sponsors/sudo-project Can donate there. My bank account is basically empty but I will contribute a few bucks.

egorfine 9mo ago
Contributed immediately. Thanks to sudo-rs: this stolen valor project made me want to financially support the original author.
- zbentley 9mo ago
  how does the metaphor of stolen valor (in my understanding: claiming accolades or military credentials/decorations that one never received) apply to that project? I don’t know anything about the history here; it’s a genuine question.
  - egorfine 9mo ago
    Authors of useless rewrites do: * skip the hard part: designing, getting user feedback and designing again; * get straight to the fun part: coding in their favorite language after a well-established and proven design; * get to call themselves "creator of XXX-rs", where "XXX" is a well-known brand and "-rs" is often overlooked.
    - ginsider_oaks 9mo ago
      would it be better if they didn't skip the hard part? (i.e. if they re-designed it from first principles) does something being hard to do make it more virtuous? would it be better if they didn't have fun coding it? is something worse if it was fun to make?
    - zbentley 9mo ago
      I meannnnnn… Pedantically, the “stolen valor” metaphor absolutely doesn’t fit here; you’re just griping about the “sudo brand” being used in another project’s title (which … citation needed, and so what? Is “doas” not committing theft but “sudo-improved” is?) More generally, that’s an easy case to make against any software you don’t like: “it’s just reimplementing $whatever and trying to pretend to be the original therefore it’s unethical”. Some rewrites are good, and a huge benefit of the act of rewriting is that you do have a clear blueprint and understanding of the requirements (hell, Linux was a rewrite). Should the original creators of a thing be the only people who can ethically rewrite it? Where’s the line here?
    - senderista 9mo ago
      A security-focused rewrite of a security-critical program that removes insecure features and prevents whole classes of vulnerabilities from being introduced in the future is hardly “useless”.
    - UqWBcuFx6NV4r 9mo ago
      For the love of God, drop the culture war BS. We get it, you don’t like Rust. You don’t get to act so self-righteous when you do absolutely nothing to justify the assertion that sudo-rs is “useless”. I look forward to hearing your argument that doesn’t end in “the memory safety footguns of C are massively overstated”, or “there is no value in having a sudo alternative that ditches antiquated, insecure functionality”
      - egorfine 9mo ago
        I like Rust. I hate the virtue signaling.
wodniok 9mo ago
Or here. https://opencollective.com/sudo-project https://opencollective.com/sudo-project

by ilaksh 9mo ago

https://github.com/sponsors/sudo-project https://github.com/sponsors/sudo-project Can donate there. My bank account is basically empty but I will contribute a few bucks.

egorfine 9mo ago

Contributed immediately. Thanks to sudo-rs: this stolen valor project made me want to financially support the original author.

zbentley 9mo ago
how does the metaphor of stolen valor (in my understanding: claiming accolades or military credentials/decorations that one never received) apply to that project? I don’t know anything about the history here; it’s a genuine question.
- egorfine 9mo ago
  Authors of useless rewrites do: * skip the hard part: designing, getting user feedback and designing again; * get straight to the fun part: coding in their favorite language after a well-established and proven design; * get to call themselves "creator of XXX-rs", where "XXX" is a well-known brand and "-rs" is often overlooked.
  - ginsider_oaks 9mo ago
    would it be better if they didn't skip the hard part? (i.e. if they re-designed it from first principles) does something being hard to do make it more virtuous? would it be better if they didn't have fun coding it? is something worse if it was fun to make?
  - zbentley 9mo ago
    I meannnnnn… Pedantically, the “stolen valor” metaphor absolutely doesn’t fit here; you’re just griping about the “sudo brand” being used in another project’s title (which … citation needed, and so what? Is “doas” not committing theft but “sudo-improved” is?) More generally, that’s an easy case to make against any software you don’t like: “it’s just reimplementing $whatever and trying to pretend to be the original therefore it’s unethical”. Some rewrites are good, and a huge benefit of the act of rewriting is that you do have a clear blueprint and understanding of the requirements (hell, Linux was a rewrite). Should the original creators of a thing be the only people who can ethically rewrite it? Where’s the line here?
  - senderista 9mo ago
    A security-focused rewrite of a security-critical program that removes insecure features and prevents whole classes of vulnerabilities from being introduced in the future is hardly “useless”.
  - UqWBcuFx6NV4r 9mo ago
    For the love of God, drop the culture war BS. We get it, you don’t like Rust. You don’t get to act so self-righteous when you do absolutely nothing to justify the assertion that sudo-rs is “useless”. I look forward to hearing your argument that doesn’t end in “the memory safety footguns of C are massively overstated”, or “there is no value in having a sudo alternative that ditches antiquated, insecure functionality”
    - egorfine 9mo ago
      I like Rust. I hate the virtue signaling.

wodniok 9mo ago

Or here. https://opencollective.com/sudo-project https://opencollective.com/sudo-project