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Flying without ID just gets you the full patdown treatment. It’s not like they’re tracking down people to vouch for you.

by eli 8mo ago

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crazygringo 8mo ago
I don't know what you mean by "full patdown treatment", but they're absolutely tracking down your information in databases and interviewing you about it. See replies to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46864182 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46864182 It's absolutely not just enhanced physical screening.
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chickensong 8mo ago
It's not just a patdown. They take you to a phone booth that has a direct line to some portion of the FBI IIRC, and they ask you a bunch of questions to confirm your identity. At least this is what happened to me about ten years ago when I lost my wallet in a different state and needed to fly home.
- mothballed 8mo ago
  ... and the law in most states requires only that you give your name and possibly your DOB to the authorities upon detainment. So as a purely academic exercise, what can they even do if you refuse to answer beyond that? Obviously in practice they will fuck with you or just straight up violate the constitution, but theoretically I'm unsure how they can continue to seize you after that.
  - crazygringo 8mo ago
    ...they don't let you fly. They can't detain you (if you're not otherwise some kind of suspect, and you're not trying to assault them or sprint past security or anything), but they don't let you fly.
    - mothballed 8mo ago
      ... if you aren't detained you are free to go. And if you are free to go, you are free to stay, unless the property owner has trespassed you. TSA doesn't own the airport, at least in my state. So how can they trespass you from the airport or otherwise continue to detain you from moving forward? I mean, I know you're right, and I know you will always lose if you try, but I don't understand the legal basis.
      - crazygringo 8mo ago
        It's just federal law. Cities don't own restaurants either but can fine them and close them if health inspections fail, because there's a law for that. The legal basis is the federal laws written specifically around airport security.
        ziml77 8mo ago
        I think the question here is, which laws?
        seg_lol 8mo ago
        The confusion in this thread shows me that even here, no one understands even the question, let alone the answer.
        sokoloff 8mo ago
        LMGTFY: Aviation and Transportation Security Act https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ71/html/PLAW-107publ71.htm https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ71/html/PLAW...
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  - duskdozer 8mo ago
    at least, hold or delay you long enough to make you miss your flight.
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Flying without ID just gets you the full patdown treatment. It’s not like they’re tracking down people to vouch for you.

by eli 8mo ago

Flying without ID just gets you the full patdown treatment. It’s not like they’re tracking down people to vouch for you.

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crazygringo 8mo ago

I don't know what you mean by "full patdown treatment", but they're absolutely tracking down your information in databases and interviewing you about it. See replies to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46864182 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46864182 It's absolutely not just enhanced physical screening.

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chickensong 8mo ago

It's not just a patdown. They take you to a phone booth that has a direct line to some portion of the FBI IIRC, and they ask you a bunch of questions to confirm your identity. At least this is what happened to me about ten years ago when I lost my wallet in a different state and needed to fly home.

mothballed 8mo ago
... and the law in most states requires only that you give your name and possibly your DOB to the authorities upon detainment. So as a purely academic exercise, what can they even do if you refuse to answer beyond that? Obviously in practice they will fuck with you or just straight up violate the constitution, but theoretically I'm unsure how they can continue to seize you after that.
- crazygringo 8mo ago
  ...they don't let you fly. They can't detain you (if you're not otherwise some kind of suspect, and you're not trying to assault them or sprint past security or anything), but they don't let you fly.
  - mothballed 8mo ago
    ... if you aren't detained you are free to go. And if you are free to go, you are free to stay, unless the property owner has trespassed you. TSA doesn't own the airport, at least in my state. So how can they trespass you from the airport or otherwise continue to detain you from moving forward? I mean, I know you're right, and I know you will always lose if you try, but I don't understand the legal basis.
    - crazygringo 8mo ago
      It's just federal law. Cities don't own restaurants either but can fine them and close them if health inspections fail, because there's a law for that. The legal basis is the federal laws written specifically around airport security.
      - ziml77 8mo ago
        I think the question here is, which laws?
        seg_lol 8mo ago
        The confusion in this thread shows me that even here, no one understands even the question, let alone the answer.
        sokoloff 8mo ago
        LMGTFY: Aviation and Transportation Security Act https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ71/html/PLAW-107publ71.htm https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ71/html/PLAW...
    - 8mo ago
- duskdozer 8mo ago
  at least, hold or delay you long enough to make you miss your flight.
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