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> Requiring ID won’t make us safer, but it enables surveillance and potential control of our movements.

anonymars 8mo ago
Remember that you can opt out of TSA's facial recognition https://www.ajl.org/campaigns/fly https://www.ajl.org/campaigns/fly
- raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
  And exactly what good does that do? The government already has your face tied to your ID and knows you’re flying
  - rngfnby 8mo ago
    And my fingerprints too, but I don't have to be a willing participant.
    - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
      So it’s meaningless…
  - anonymars 8mo ago
    Does facial recognition work better with one photo or many?
    - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
      Does it matter? If you carry your phone with you they can already track you as well as tag readers when you are driving.
      - anonymars 8mo ago
        Why should the default be "more tracking" and not "as little as justifiably necessary"? It doesn't even save time, in fact it takes more time screwing around with the camera What problem is any of this solving?
        raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
        You are being “tracked” that you got on the plane regardless, even your credit card company gets your complete itinerary where you traveled from and to and can (and does) use that for advertising. Amex even knows whether you used your card on Delta for instance to buy a ticket or pay ancillary fees/drinkd on board. They use the information to see whether you are eligible for a credit (Amex Platinum)
    - monksy 8mo ago
      Training requires a lot of photos and face models need to be more recent to be effective.
      - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
        And yet my iPhone can recognize my son from the time he was 9 to the time he is 25 with just one shot labeling…
  - duskdozer 8mo ago
    - 2D ID photo vs 3D scan - ID photo is x years out of date - old identifying info + new identifying info is more valuable than just old identifying info - if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it? they can just not collect it, since it doesn't matter.
    - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
      Neither does a 3D scan like an iPhone. As far as facial recognition better because it has up to date pictures. This has been solved without up to date pictures for years. My phone can - on device recognize my son from the time he was 9 to today at 25. If my phone can do it on device, do you think this is a hard problem on a server farm?
      - anonymars 8mo ago
        I'm quite perplexed on what point you are trying to make by dying on this hill. That this does solve some hidden problem? ("if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it?") That folks should be conditioned to freely provide any data, scan, or biometrics upon request? When the government says "jump", always ask "how high"?
        raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
        Yes it’s just as meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera, any bad actor that can access your camera can also access your microphone and you can get a lot more information from a microphone.
        anonymars 8mo ago
        > meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera I don't think anyone ever shared a naked picture taken with a microphone (semi-related: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-body-scans-many.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-bo...). I don't think it's terribly rare to join a meeting not realizing that the camera option was still on (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-humiliating-webcam-chats-naked-shower-livestreamed-funeral.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-...) It's also not clear what this has to do with the TSA taking pictures at the airport. At this point I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of argument
  - monksy 8mo ago
    Well good. They can stop pestering me for real id, preventing me from moving directly to the security line without having to show id, and stop trying to force me into giving up my face model everytime.
- rngfnby 8mo ago
  I tried but they lied and told me it wasn't an option. So I told them the sign above me said it was. So she lied and told me my ID had to be issued within the past year (mine was 14 mo. old). So I asked to speak to her manager. So she told me to step aside and lied that she'd call her manager. After waiting five minutes looking at her not call the manager, I started whistling the anthem, loudly, at a crowded major city airport. The manager rushed over. He asked what the problem was, and asked to see my ID. So he sounded it into the scanner triggering my picture. He pretended that that was a mistake. So I told him he was really cute piece of work. I filled a complaint with the TSA. They answered that they took the incident very seriously and never followed up.
- oatmeal1 8mo ago
  Let's be honest, that just puts you on the extra scrutiny list going forward
- monksy 8mo ago
  You can and should. Some TSA workers get pissy over it, which is weird. It's there to replace them. The trainers don't, its an option you have the right to.

Remember that you can opt out of TSA's facial recognition https://www.ajl.org/campaigns/fly https://www.ajl.org/campaigns/fly

raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
And exactly what good does that do? The government already has your face tied to your ID and knows you’re flying
- rngfnby 8mo ago
  And my fingerprints too, but I don't have to be a willing participant.
  - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
    So it’s meaningless…
- anonymars 8mo ago
  Does facial recognition work better with one photo or many?
  - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
    Does it matter? If you carry your phone with you they can already track you as well as tag readers when you are driving.
    - anonymars 8mo ago
      Why should the default be "more tracking" and not "as little as justifiably necessary"? It doesn't even save time, in fact it takes more time screwing around with the camera What problem is any of this solving?
      - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
        You are being “tracked” that you got on the plane regardless, even your credit card company gets your complete itinerary where you traveled from and to and can (and does) use that for advertising. Amex even knows whether you used your card on Delta for instance to buy a ticket or pay ancillary fees/drinkd on board. They use the information to see whether you are eligible for a credit (Amex Platinum)
  - monksy 8mo ago
    Training requires a lot of photos and face models need to be more recent to be effective.
    - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
      And yet my iPhone can recognize my son from the time he was 9 to the time he is 25 with just one shot labeling…
- duskdozer 8mo ago
  - 2D ID photo vs 3D scan - ID photo is x years out of date - old identifying info + new identifying info is more valuable than just old identifying info - if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it? they can just not collect it, since it doesn't matter.
  - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
    Neither does a 3D scan like an iPhone. As far as facial recognition better because it has up to date pictures. This has been solved without up to date pictures for years. My phone can - on device recognize my son from the time he was 9 to today at 25. If my phone can do it on device, do you think this is a hard problem on a server farm?
    - anonymars 8mo ago
      I'm quite perplexed on what point you are trying to make by dying on this hill. That this does solve some hidden problem? ("if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it?") That folks should be conditioned to freely provide any data, scan, or biometrics upon request? When the government says "jump", always ask "how high"?
      - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
        Yes it’s just as meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera, any bad actor that can access your camera can also access your microphone and you can get a lot more information from a microphone.
        anonymars 8mo ago
        > meaningless as putting a cover over your laptop camera I don't think anyone ever shared a naked picture taken with a microphone (semi-related: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-body-scans-many.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-backlash-grows-over-leaked-bo...). I don't think it's terribly rare to join a meeting not realizing that the camera option was still on (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-humiliating-webcam-chats-naked-shower-livestreamed-funeral.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13240957/Zoom-view-...) It's also not clear what this has to do with the TSA taking pictures at the airport. At this point I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of argument
- monksy 8mo ago
  Well good. They can stop pestering me for real id, preventing me from moving directly to the security line without having to show id, and stop trying to force me into giving up my face model everytime.
rngfnby 8mo ago
I tried but they lied and told me it wasn't an option. So I told them the sign above me said it was. So she lied and told me my ID had to be issued within the past year (mine was 14 mo. old). So I asked to speak to her manager. So she told me to step aside and lied that she'd call her manager. After waiting five minutes looking at her not call the manager, I started whistling the anthem, loudly, at a crowded major city airport. The manager rushed over. He asked what the problem was, and asked to see my ID. So he sounded it into the scanner triggering my picture. He pretended that that was a mistake. So I told him he was really cute piece of work. I filled a complaint with the TSA. They answered that they took the incident very seriously and never followed up.
oatmeal1 8mo ago
Let's be honest, that just puts you on the extra scrutiny list going forward
monksy 8mo ago
You can and should. Some TSA workers get pissy over it, which is weird. It's there to replace them. The trainers don't, its an option you have the right to.