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The regulations mentioned there are not necessarily wrong though. Decarbonisation and renewables are no longer purely environmental concerns, they are key objec
by sigmoid10 9mo ago
The regulations mentioned there are not necessarily wrong though. Decarbonisation and renewables are no longer purely environmental concerns, they are key objectives for the European security strategy to remove dependence on foreign tyrants and dictators. These jobs would have disappeared sooner or later anyways. But lots of new ones will be created in these new industries. The EU is merely getting dragged down by the established traditional fossil industry that wants to delay the transition as long as possible to squeeze every cent out of the market while they can. But this is bad for literally everyone involved in the long term. The only thing that is benefiting are next-quarter based exec bonuses. If Europe actually allowed for a disruptive startup environment (which unfortunately has its own set of safety issues), these companies would have been handed their lunch by now.
- lynx97 9mo ago> remove dependence on foreign tyrants Ahh, thats why the EU is moving to LNG, now I get it!
- embedding-shape 9mo ago> why the EU is moving to LNG Is it? News for this resident of the EU. What exactly are you referencing? Most states in the EU are focusing on renewables one way or another, are you talking about a specific country here or?
- lynx97 9mo agoRenewables are a thing for the upper-class. I am refering to plain old heating in winter, which is being switched over from russian gas to american lng. Great achievement!
- embedding-shape 9mo agoAt the time it made sense, we believed the US to be an ally, like in the past. Obviously not true anymore so yeah, a mistake that needs to be corrected. And no, renewables aren't for the upper class, the sun is free for everyone with panels, and panels can be bought relatively cheap today.
- direwolf20 9mo agoHaving a place you can legally install panels is for the upper class. Do you own a house?
- embedding-shape 9mo agoI'm sure it depends on the country, but in my country (Spain) you can literally go and buy solar panels in the local hardware store and install them without permits, even for renters given you don't destroy anything. And besides that, most owners (as a renter) are OK with you installing solar panels. Never owned a place, had solar panels installed in the last three places I lived in, the first two were apartments, currently renting a house. None of the owners had problems with us installing solar panels.
- adwn 9mo ago> Having a place you can legally install panels is for the upper class. Do you own a house? Owning a house does not require belonging to the "upper class" in Europe.
- IsTom 9mo agoI don't personally own infrastructure to import LNG either. Grid-scale renewables don't require people to own property.
- onlypassingthru 9mo agoGot a balcony in your German apartment? Then you can use solar panels. https://www.dw.com/en/boom-small-solar-devices-plugged-into-household-sockets-german-energy-transition/a-75022163 https://www.dw.com/en/boom-small-solar-devices-plugged-into-...
- mono442 9mo agoMiddle class in Europe can't afford a single family home.
- adwn 9mo ago> Middle class in Europe can't afford a single family home. At least for Germany, this statement is directly contradicted by visible evidence. I'm surrounded by middle class families owning single homes.
- sigmoid10 9mo agoThose are exactly the same people who are dragging their feet in this case. The fossil industry is one of the most powerful lobbies.
- IsTom 9mo agoThat is still better than russian pipeline oil.
- lynx97 9mo agoYour opinion.
- MSFT_Edging 9mo agoSo interesting how Germany phased out their entire nuclear power program to dig more coal up.
- PurpleRamen 9mo agoLNG is just a temporary replacement. The machine is changing. Strange how people still just look at the little gears.
- mono442 9mo agoThere are countries in the EU with sizeable coal reserves like Poland, Germany or Czech Republic. Current policies force them to abandon it and switch to natural gas which needs to be imported.
- snowpid 9mo ago1.) In Germany without subsidies coal would phase out because it is too expensive. e.g. In western Germany since the 70s. 2.) People are Much more reluctant for coal mining anyway as it destroys lots of landscape. So, no coal has no future in Germany
- MSFT_Edging 9mo agoOh my god there's European versions of the West Virginia "more coal jobs" grifters.
- saubeidl 9mo agoThey could also build wind- and solar parks. They should, actually.
- PlkMarudny 9mo agoWe do and the more renewables are present in the mix, the more expensive electricity gets. Despite using LED lights...
- rapsey 9mo ago> they are key objectives for the European security strategy to remove dependence on foreign tyrants and dictators. Lol european security strategy? We switched from Russian dependence, to a more expensive US dependence. While also being strongly dependent on middle eastern gas and oil. What the hell kind of strategy is that?
- direwolf20 9mo agoIsn't that precisely why they're trying to phase out fossil fuels?
- rapsey 9mo agoA riddiculous pipe dream just like most EU policies. https://youtube.com/shorts/s0yWk4cJT_I?si=dNXftp8bk3PY6Nfg https://youtube.com/shorts/s0yWk4cJT_I?si=dNXftp8bk3PY6Nfg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JZY38D3PtF4 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JZY38D3PtF4
- adwn 9mo agoThose are the "sources" you chose to prove your claim? Is this supposed to be a parody?
- direwolf20 9mo agoI'm not clicking on a YouTube link. State your argument yourself.
- rapsey 9mo agoEverything is made out of or requires fossil fuels. From concrete, your clothes, to your food. Phasing out fossil fuels is complete insanity. edit: I cant reply so I will edit. The policies are clearly insanity because EU industrial self immolation does nothing for the rest of the world. Does China, Indonesia, Africa, South America, India give a crap about saving the environment? They sure as hell do not. Most of them throw their trash directly into the ocean. All we do in europe is self harm while the broad problem goes entirely unsolved. How the hell are you going to develop and sell new technology, while destroying our economies at the same time. Complete pipe dream insanity.