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> the European Union risks subordination, division and deindustrialision all at once Whose fault is that? Who is constantly forcing regulations which hurt EU i

> the European Union risks subordination, division and deindustrialision all at once Whose fault is that? Who is constantly forcing regulations which hurt EU industries? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal#Job_losses_and_inflation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal#Job_losses... https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/16/eu-carmakers-to-comply-with-90-emissions-reduction-by-2035-as-full-combustion-engine-ban-s https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/16/eu-carmakers-t... Instead of fixing the problems they have created they are now placing taxes on imported heavy goods. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/01/01/eus-carbon-border-tax-on-heavy-industry-goods-goes-into-effect-risking-trade-escalation https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/01/01/eus-carbon-bor...

sigmoid10 8mo ago
The regulations mentioned there are not necessarily wrong though. Decarbonisation and renewables are no longer purely environmental concerns, they are key objectives for the European security strategy to remove dependence on foreign tyrants and dictators. These jobs would have disappeared sooner or later anyways. But lots of new ones will be created in these new industries. The EU is merely getting dragged down by the established traditional fossil industry that wants to delay the transition as long as possible to squeeze every cent out of the market while they can. But this is bad for literally everyone involved in the long term. The only thing that is benefiting are next-quarter based exec bonuses. If Europe actually allowed for a disruptive startup environment (which unfortunately has its own set of safety issues), these companies would have been handed their lunch by now.
- lynx97 8mo ago
  > remove dependence on foreign tyrants Ahh, thats why the EU is moving to LNG, now I get it!
  - embedding-shape 8mo ago
    > why the EU is moving to LNG Is it? News for this resident of the EU. What exactly are you referencing? Most states in the EU are focusing on renewables one way or another, are you talking about a specific country here or?
    - lynx97 8mo ago
      Renewables are a thing for the upper-class. I am refering to plain old heating in winter, which is being switched over from russian gas to american lng. Great achievement!
      - embedding-shape 8mo ago
        At the time it made sense, we believed the US to be an ally, like in the past. Obviously not true anymore so yeah, a mistake that needs to be corrected. And no, renewables aren't for the upper class, the sun is free for everyone with panels, and panels can be bought relatively cheap today.
        direwolf20 8mo ago
        Having a place you can legally install panels is for the upper class. Do you own a house?
        embedding-shape 8mo ago
        I'm sure it depends on the country, but in my country (Spain) you can literally go and buy solar panels in the local hardware store and install them without permits, even for renters given you don't destroy anything. And besides that, most owners (as a renter) are OK with you installing solar panels. Never owned a place, had solar panels installed in the last three places I lived in, the first two were apartments, currently renting a house. None of the owners had problems with us installing solar panels.
        adwn 8mo ago
        > Having a place you can legally install panels is for the upper class. Do you own a house? Owning a house does not require belonging to the "upper class" in Europe.
  - sigmoid10 8mo ago
    Those are exactly the same people who are dragging their feet in this case. The fossil industry is one of the most powerful lobbies.
  - IsTom 8mo ago
    That is still better than russian pipeline oil.
    - lynx97 8mo ago
      Your opinion.
  - MSFT_Edging 8mo ago
    So interesting how Germany phased out their entire nuclear power program to dig more coal up.
  - PurpleRamen 8mo ago
    LNG is just a temporary replacement. The machine is changing. Strange how people still just look at the little gears.
- mono442 8mo ago
  There are countries in the EU with sizeable coal reserves like Poland, Germany or Czech Republic. Current policies force them to abandon it and switch to natural gas which needs to be imported.
  - snowpid 8mo ago
    1.) In Germany without subsidies coal would phase out because it is too expensive. e.g. In western Germany since the 70s. 2.) People are Much more reluctant for coal mining anyway as it destroys lots of landscape. So, no coal has no future in Germany
  - MSFT_Edging 8mo ago
    Oh my god there's European versions of the West Virginia "more coal jobs" grifters.
  - saubeidl 8mo ago
    They could also build wind- and solar parks. They should, actually.
    - PlkMarudny 8mo ago
      We do and the more renewables are present in the mix, the more expensive electricity gets. Despite using LED lights...
- rapsey 8mo ago
  > they are key objectives for the European security strategy to remove dependence on foreign tyrants and dictators. Lol european security strategy? We switched from Russian dependence, to a more expensive US dependence. While also being strongly dependent on middle eastern gas and oil. What the hell kind of strategy is that?
  - direwolf20 8mo ago
    Isn't that precisely why they're trying to phase out fossil fuels?
    - rapsey 8mo ago
      A riddiculous pipe dream just like most EU policies. https://youtube.com/shorts/s0yWk4cJT_I?si=dNXftp8bk3PY6Nfg https://youtube.com/shorts/s0yWk4cJT_I?si=dNXftp8bk3PY6Nfg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JZY38D3PtF4 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JZY38D3PtF4
      - adwn 8mo ago
        Those are the "sources" you chose to prove your claim? Is this supposed to be a parody?
      - direwolf20 8mo ago
        I'm not clicking on a YouTube link. State your argument yourself.
        rapsey 8mo ago
        Everything is made out of or requires fossil fuels. From concrete, your clothes, to your food. Phasing out fossil fuels is complete insanity. edit: I cant reply so I will edit. The policies are clearly insanity because EU industrial self immolation does nothing for the rest of the world. Does China, Indonesia, Africa, South America, India give a crap about saving the environment? They sure as hell do not. Most of them throw their trash directly into the ocean. All we do in europe is self harm while the broad problem goes entirely unsolved. How the hell are you going to develop and sell new technology, while destroying our economies at the same time. Complete pipe dream insanity.
4gotunameagain 8mo ago
Up until recently, paying a small price to benefit the environment made sense. Unfortunately, with the recent geopolitical shenanigans it doesn't any more. Heck, we'll start burning oil like mad to fuel the re-armament. Maybe after the next large war, there won't be many humans left and at least it will be good for the environment I guess ?
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  Renewables don't just benefit the environment. They're literally free energy machines, perpetual motion alike. You want as much energy as possible for as cheap as possible, you want renewables. You want energy sovereignty without fuel imports, you want renewables. Apart from the part where you don't get to choose when they generate. Hopefully less of an issue in a continent–sized interconnected grid.
- triceratops 8mo ago
  > Heck, we'll start burning oil like mad to fuel the re-armament. Drones are the hot new thing in warfare. They run on electricity.
PurpleRamen 8mo ago
The regulations are for the long-term-benefit of the EU, and it's citizen, even though they may come with some short-term-harm. This is always a bit of a problem, does one plan for the coming 50 years, or just the next reports of whatever makes you rich. The joke here is, China is a master of long-term-planning and execution, which is why they are on the rise now. Yet many complain, take china as a threat and demand brain-dead short-term-solutions, leading to even more long-term-problems.
- nickslaughter02 8mo ago
  > The regulations are for the long-term-benefit of the EU Will Europe still exist when they are done making it better?
  - PurpleRamen 8mo ago
    Yes, it will, unless there will be a nuclear war or something..there is very little actual problems. People are very busy with looking on numbers and focusing on single problems, but hardly the big picture. Any complaints about EU and their countries are high-level nagging, people complaining whether they can buy two golden pools or have to be satisfied with one. EU and most of their countries are filthy rich, have a good foundation and while they have the occasional internal problems, they are not on a road to burn down and lose everything. Bad things can always happen, of course, we just had multiple of them in the last 5+ years. But we did survive it and adapted, so the probability is much higher that nothing catastrophical world-shattering will be happening again in the next decades. We are moving back to the "normal" trouble and EU so far has shown a very good survivability in those years. Heck, in 2008-2012 there was far more trouble for EU than today.
saubeidl 8mo ago
Fossil Fuels are dead, man. Renewables are the future and the EU is amongst the leaders. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/22/wind-and-solar-overtook-fossil-fuels-in-power-generation-for-eu-in-2025-report https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/22/wind-and...

sigmoid10 8mo ago

The regulations mentioned there are not necessarily wrong though. Decarbonisation and renewables are no longer purely environmental concerns, they are key objectives for the European security strategy to remove dependence on foreign tyrants and dictators. These jobs would have disappeared sooner or later anyways. But lots of new ones will be created in these new industries. The EU is merely getting dragged down by the established traditional fossil industry that wants to delay the transition as long as possible to squeeze every cent out of the market while they can. But this is bad for literally everyone involved in the long term. The only thing that is benefiting are next-quarter based exec bonuses. If Europe actually allowed for a disruptive startup environment (which unfortunately has its own set of safety issues), these companies would have been handed their lunch by now.

lynx97 8mo ago
> remove dependence on foreign tyrants Ahh, thats why the EU is moving to LNG, now I get it!
- embedding-shape 8mo ago
  > why the EU is moving to LNG Is it? News for this resident of the EU. What exactly are you referencing? Most states in the EU are focusing on renewables one way or another, are you talking about a specific country here or?
  - lynx97 8mo ago
    Renewables are a thing for the upper-class. I am refering to plain old heating in winter, which is being switched over from russian gas to american lng. Great achievement!
    - embedding-shape 8mo ago
      At the time it made sense, we believed the US to be an ally, like in the past. Obviously not true anymore so yeah, a mistake that needs to be corrected. And no, renewables aren't for the upper class, the sun is free for everyone with panels, and panels can be bought relatively cheap today.
      - direwolf20 8mo ago
        Having a place you can legally install panels is for the upper class. Do you own a house?
        embedding-shape 8mo ago
        I'm sure it depends on the country, but in my country (Spain) you can literally go and buy solar panels in the local hardware store and install them without permits, even for renters given you don't destroy anything. And besides that, most owners (as a renter) are OK with you installing solar panels. Never owned a place, had solar panels installed in the last three places I lived in, the first two were apartments, currently renting a house. None of the owners had problems with us installing solar panels.
        adwn 8mo ago
        > Having a place you can legally install panels is for the upper class. Do you own a house? Owning a house does not require belonging to the "upper class" in Europe.
- sigmoid10 8mo ago
  Those are exactly the same people who are dragging their feet in this case. The fossil industry is one of the most powerful lobbies.
- IsTom 8mo ago
  That is still better than russian pipeline oil.
  - lynx97 8mo ago
    Your opinion.
- MSFT_Edging 8mo ago
  So interesting how Germany phased out their entire nuclear power program to dig more coal up.
- PurpleRamen 8mo ago
  LNG is just a temporary replacement. The machine is changing. Strange how people still just look at the little gears.
mono442 8mo ago
There are countries in the EU with sizeable coal reserves like Poland, Germany or Czech Republic. Current policies force them to abandon it and switch to natural gas which needs to be imported.
- snowpid 8mo ago
  1.) In Germany without subsidies coal would phase out because it is too expensive. e.g. In western Germany since the 70s. 2.) People are Much more reluctant for coal mining anyway as it destroys lots of landscape. So, no coal has no future in Germany
- MSFT_Edging 8mo ago
  Oh my god there's European versions of the West Virginia "more coal jobs" grifters.
- saubeidl 8mo ago
  They could also build wind- and solar parks. They should, actually.
  - PlkMarudny 8mo ago
    We do and the more renewables are present in the mix, the more expensive electricity gets. Despite using LED lights...
rapsey 8mo ago
> they are key objectives for the European security strategy to remove dependence on foreign tyrants and dictators. Lol european security strategy? We switched from Russian dependence, to a more expensive US dependence. While also being strongly dependent on middle eastern gas and oil. What the hell kind of strategy is that?
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  Isn't that precisely why they're trying to phase out fossil fuels?
  - rapsey 8mo ago
    A riddiculous pipe dream just like most EU policies. https://youtube.com/shorts/s0yWk4cJT_I?si=dNXftp8bk3PY6Nfg https://youtube.com/shorts/s0yWk4cJT_I?si=dNXftp8bk3PY6Nfg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JZY38D3PtF4 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JZY38D3PtF4
    - adwn 8mo ago
      Those are the "sources" you chose to prove your claim? Is this supposed to be a parody?
    - direwolf20 8mo ago
      I'm not clicking on a YouTube link. State your argument yourself.
      - rapsey 8mo ago
        Everything is made out of or requires fossil fuels. From concrete, your clothes, to your food. Phasing out fossil fuels is complete insanity. edit: I cant reply so I will edit. The policies are clearly insanity because EU industrial self immolation does nothing for the rest of the world. Does China, Indonesia, Africa, South America, India give a crap about saving the environment? They sure as hell do not. Most of them throw their trash directly into the ocean. All we do in europe is self harm while the broad problem goes entirely unsolved. How the hell are you going to develop and sell new technology, while destroying our economies at the same time. Complete pipe dream insanity.

4gotunameagain 8mo ago

Up until recently, paying a small price to benefit the environment made sense. Unfortunately, with the recent geopolitical shenanigans it doesn't any more. Heck, we'll start burning oil like mad to fuel the re-armament. Maybe after the next large war, there won't be many humans left and at least it will be good for the environment I guess ?

direwolf20 8mo ago
Renewables don't just benefit the environment. They're literally free energy machines, perpetual motion alike. You want as much energy as possible for as cheap as possible, you want renewables. You want energy sovereignty without fuel imports, you want renewables. Apart from the part where you don't get to choose when they generate. Hopefully less of an issue in a continent–sized interconnected grid.
triceratops 8mo ago
> Heck, we'll start burning oil like mad to fuel the re-armament. Drones are the hot new thing in warfare. They run on electricity.

PurpleRamen 8mo ago

The regulations are for the long-term-benefit of the EU, and it's citizen, even though they may come with some short-term-harm. This is always a bit of a problem, does one plan for the coming 50 years, or just the next reports of whatever makes you rich. The joke here is, China is a master of long-term-planning and execution, which is why they are on the rise now. Yet many complain, take china as a threat and demand brain-dead short-term-solutions, leading to even more long-term-problems.

nickslaughter02 8mo ago
> The regulations are for the long-term-benefit of the EU Will Europe still exist when they are done making it better?
- PurpleRamen 8mo ago
  Yes, it will, unless there will be a nuclear war or something..there is very little actual problems. People are very busy with looking on numbers and focusing on single problems, but hardly the big picture. Any complaints about EU and their countries are high-level nagging, people complaining whether they can buy two golden pools or have to be satisfied with one. EU and most of their countries are filthy rich, have a good foundation and while they have the occasional internal problems, they are not on a road to burn down and lose everything. Bad things can always happen, of course, we just had multiple of them in the last 5+ years. But we did survive it and adapted, so the probability is much higher that nothing catastrophical world-shattering will be happening again in the next decades. We are moving back to the "normal" trouble and EU so far has shown a very good survivability in those years. Heck, in 2008-2012 there was far more trouble for EU than today.

saubeidl 8mo ago

Fossil Fuels are dead, man. Renewables are the future and the EU is amongst the leaders. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/22/wind-and-solar-overtook-fossil-fuels-in-power-generation-for-eu-in-2025-report https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/22/wind-and...