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And it comes at a time when a disease we were working on eliminating, measles, has come back and the US is about to lose its measles-free status. It sounds as

by jfengel 9mo ago

And it comes at a time when a disease we were working on eliminating, measles, has come back and the US is about to lose its measles-free status. It sounds as if his legacy is to be unique, a feat never to be accomplished again.

quesera 9mo ago
We still have another chance for eradication in humans with Polio.
- 3eb7988a1663 9mo ago
  Not if the CIA has anything to say about it: CIA fake vaccination campaign in Pakistan[0] ...The program was ultimately unsuccessful in locating Osama bin Laden. It led to the arrest of a participating physician, Shakil Afridi, and was widely ridiculed as undermining public health.[2][3] The program is credited with increasing vaccine hesitancy in Pakistan[4][5][6][7] and a rise in violence against healthcare workers for being perceived as spies.[8] The rise in vaccine hesitancy following the program led to the re-emergence of polio in Pakistan, with Pakistan having by far the largest number of polio cases in the world by 2014.[8] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_fake_vaccination_campaign_in_Pakistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_fake_vaccination_campaign_...
  - ccppurcell 9mo ago
    This should be a war crime...
    - tdeck 9mo ago
      War crimes are "for Africa and thugs like Putin".
    - belorn 9mo ago
      Given the period of 2010-2012, the president at the time was Barack Obama. It does not seem realistic that people would accept opening a criminal case.
      - goku12 9mo ago
        Why does it matter if it was Obama or Bush in power? Sure, their politics influence the nation's foreign policies. But domestic partisan politics is largely irrelevant to the international partners. To the foreign nationals affected by it, you're just USA either way. I mentioned just the other day, the problem with anti-intellectualism in the US and how it's fed by these sorts of egregious meddling by the administration. There are much less educated and affluent countries that are nowhere near as anti-science as the US. Yet unfortunately, the US exports it abroad too. I explicitly referred the same Pakistani case as an example of that. I'm all for Osama's elimination, but they jeopardized the entire humanity's future by misusing the vaccination program for it. Despite a century of this nonsense (remember the radium girls?), neither political party cares enough to not pervert science in the interests of humanity. Smallpox and Polio were horrible diseases that caused untold miseries. Even the remote tribes of Pakistan knew their dangers well enough to participate in their elimination, until the US pulled off this dirty stunt. This is a deeply ingrained toxic culture that was reinforced by both parties over the decade. This should be a war crime irrespective of party allegiances.
        throw20251220 9mo ago
        > Why does it matter if it was Obama or Bush in power? How can you open a war crime case against a guy who already got a Peace Nobel Prize? And what war crime? Was there a war? Maybe some special military operation against Bin Laden.
        aleph_minus_one 9mo ago
        > How can you open a war crime case against a guy who already got a Peace Nobel Prize? Henry Kissinger (1973 Nobel Peace Prize together with Lê Đức Thọ) can be considered a war criminal: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger Yasser Arafat (1994 Nobel Peace Prize together with Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres) was also very likely a war criminal.
        9mo ago
    - michaelsshaw 9mo ago
      International law does not apply to the leaders of the western hegemony. It is merely a tool used to oppress poor nations even further. This fact only further proves one thing: the CIA is a terrorist organization and the state behind it is responsible for some of the most disgusting things this planet has ever seen.
  - kakacik 9mo ago
    CIA at its best, f_cking up world one bit at a time (and amount of those bits amount to quite a few kilobytes at least at this point, I can attest that every European country I've ever lived in carries some more or less visible involvements in past few decades although this one is quite a spectacular clusterf_ck)
  - throw20251220 9mo ago
    > The program is credited with increasing vaccine hesitancy in … Sounds like RFK Jr…
  - DangitBobby 9mo ago
    Evil shit
  - gosub100 9mo ago
    Why would this cause everyone in the area to not vaccinate, and not just limited to parents who are on a most-wanted list? What made me disappointed about this was that they revealed how they did it, and they didn't rescue the doctor who helped them pull it off.
epistasis 9mo ago
Perhaps I'm overly an optimist, but I have a feeling we will develop the informational and psychological technology to combat the destructive misinformation campaigns that brainwash people into harming their children with anti-vaccine beliefs. We are not there yet, because the destructive media forces are too new and we haven't developed defenses against information diseases like RFK Jr. But we will get there. Two steps forward, one step back.
- vkou 9mo ago
  Who is we, who will pay for it, and how will such informational inoculation benefit the rich? The current media status quo, and its consequences does, which is why we get to enjoy it.
- tjpnz 9mo ago
  As a non-American I don't care what you do, if you want to behave like irresponsible idiots without any regard for the lives of others you have that right. Just don't subject vulnerable individuals in other countries to your own bad choices (you can get the MMR vaccine as an adult if your parents were neglectful). Maybe visitors from the United States should have to present vaccine certificates at airports or be quarantined at their own expense.
  - epistasis 9mo ago
    Canada and the UK have a ton more measles than even the US's completely unacceptable level of measles. Thinning this is a US problem completely misunderstands the nature of the misinformation problem. And I hope there's vaccination requirements for travel, according to how public health officials determine threats.
    - Aurornis 9mo ago
      Canada already lost their measles elimination status and had several times higher measles rate than the US. At this point, anyone pushing anti-vaccine thinking as an American problem is just pushing anti-American bias. Vaccine misinformation and hesitancy is an almost worldwide problem.

by jfengel 9mo ago

quesera 9mo ago

We still have another chance for eradication in humans with Polio.

3eb7988a1663 9mo ago
Not if the CIA has anything to say about it: CIA fake vaccination campaign in Pakistan[0] ...The program was ultimately unsuccessful in locating Osama bin Laden. It led to the arrest of a participating physician, Shakil Afridi, and was widely ridiculed as undermining public health.[2][3] The program is credited with increasing vaccine hesitancy in Pakistan[4][5][6][7] and a rise in violence against healthcare workers for being perceived as spies.[8] The rise in vaccine hesitancy following the program led to the re-emergence of polio in Pakistan, with Pakistan having by far the largest number of polio cases in the world by 2014.[8] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_fake_vaccination_campaign_in_Pakistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_fake_vaccination_campaign_...
- ccppurcell 9mo ago
  This should be a war crime...
  - tdeck 9mo ago
    War crimes are "for Africa and thugs like Putin".
  - belorn 9mo ago
    Given the period of 2010-2012, the president at the time was Barack Obama. It does not seem realistic that people would accept opening a criminal case.
    - goku12 9mo ago
      Why does it matter if it was Obama or Bush in power? Sure, their politics influence the nation's foreign policies. But domestic partisan politics is largely irrelevant to the international partners. To the foreign nationals affected by it, you're just USA either way. I mentioned just the other day, the problem with anti-intellectualism in the US and how it's fed by these sorts of egregious meddling by the administration. There are much less educated and affluent countries that are nowhere near as anti-science as the US. Yet unfortunately, the US exports it abroad too. I explicitly referred the same Pakistani case as an example of that. I'm all for Osama's elimination, but they jeopardized the entire humanity's future by misusing the vaccination program for it. Despite a century of this nonsense (remember the radium girls?), neither political party cares enough to not pervert science in the interests of humanity. Smallpox and Polio were horrible diseases that caused untold miseries. Even the remote tribes of Pakistan knew their dangers well enough to participate in their elimination, until the US pulled off this dirty stunt. This is a deeply ingrained toxic culture that was reinforced by both parties over the decade. This should be a war crime irrespective of party allegiances.
      - throw20251220 9mo ago
        > Why does it matter if it was Obama or Bush in power? How can you open a war crime case against a guy who already got a Peace Nobel Prize? And what war crime? Was there a war? Maybe some special military operation against Bin Laden.
        aleph_minus_one 9mo ago
        > How can you open a war crime case against a guy who already got a Peace Nobel Prize? Henry Kissinger (1973 Nobel Peace Prize together with Lê Đức Thọ) can be considered a war criminal: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger Yasser Arafat (1994 Nobel Peace Prize together with Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres) was also very likely a war criminal.
        9mo ago
  - michaelsshaw 9mo ago
    International law does not apply to the leaders of the western hegemony. It is merely a tool used to oppress poor nations even further. This fact only further proves one thing: the CIA is a terrorist organization and the state behind it is responsible for some of the most disgusting things this planet has ever seen.
- kakacik 9mo ago
  CIA at its best, f_cking up world one bit at a time (and amount of those bits amount to quite a few kilobytes at least at this point, I can attest that every European country I've ever lived in carries some more or less visible involvements in past few decades although this one is quite a spectacular clusterf_ck)
- throw20251220 9mo ago
  > The program is credited with increasing vaccine hesitancy in … Sounds like RFK Jr…
- DangitBobby 9mo ago
  Evil shit
- gosub100 9mo ago
  Why would this cause everyone in the area to not vaccinate, and not just limited to parents who are on a most-wanted list? What made me disappointed about this was that they revealed how they did it, and they didn't rescue the doctor who helped them pull it off.

epistasis 9mo ago

Perhaps I'm overly an optimist, but I have a feeling we will develop the informational and psychological technology to combat the destructive misinformation campaigns that brainwash people into harming their children with anti-vaccine beliefs. We are not there yet, because the destructive media forces are too new and we haven't developed defenses against information diseases like RFK Jr. But we will get there. Two steps forward, one step back.

vkou 9mo ago
Who is we, who will pay for it, and how will such informational inoculation benefit the rich? The current media status quo, and its consequences does, which is why we get to enjoy it.
tjpnz 9mo ago
As a non-American I don't care what you do, if you want to behave like irresponsible idiots without any regard for the lives of others you have that right. Just don't subject vulnerable individuals in other countries to your own bad choices (you can get the MMR vaccine as an adult if your parents were neglectful). Maybe visitors from the United States should have to present vaccine certificates at airports or be quarantined at their own expense.
- epistasis 9mo ago
  Canada and the UK have a ton more measles than even the US's completely unacceptable level of measles. Thinning this is a US problem completely misunderstands the nature of the misinformation problem. And I hope there's vaccination requirements for travel, according to how public health officials determine threats.
  - Aurornis 9mo ago
    Canada already lost their measles elimination status and had several times higher measles rate than the US. At this point, anyone pushing anti-vaccine thinking as an American problem is just pushing anti-American bias. Vaccine misinformation and hesitancy is an almost worldwide problem.