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First sentence of the wiki page [1]: > Swift is a high-level general-purpose, multi-paradigm, compiled programming language created by Chris Lattner in 2010 fo

by nomel 9mo ago

First sentence of the wiki page [1]: > Swift is a high-level general-purpose, multi-paradigm, compiled programming language created by Chris Lattner in 2010 for Apple Inc. and maintained by the open-source community. As the article repeats, it is not Apple specific. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_(programming_language)

heavyset_go 9mo ago
It's about as maintained by the "open source community" as Android is lol
Aurornis 9mo ago
I know Swift is technically not Apple specific, but it says right there in your quote that it was created for Apple and Apple is the giant weight behind it. I doubt Apple is in danger of dropping Swift, but if they did it would create a devastating vacuum in the Swift ecosystem.
dochtman 9mo ago
I'd bet a supermajority of Swift commits comes from Apple developers. Pretty sure the rust-lang/rust commit authors would be much less centralized.
piyuv 9mo ago
Swift being maintained by the open source community is an illusion. The community was very against function builders. Apple went ahead and did it anyway because they needed it for SwiftUI. The open source community just provides discussion, and Apple gets its way either way.
- vor_ 9mo ago
  > The community was very against function builders. Scanning the multiple review threads, that doesn't appear to be the case. According to the acceptance post, the community was overall positive about the feature but expressed concerns over the attribute naming, which was renamed in response.
  - saagarjha 9mo ago
    Read the thread reviewing the proposal.
- pjmlp 9mo ago
  Just like Go's dependency and package management, Google also bullied the community into their own solution.
WD-42 9mo ago
Yup just like google doesn’t actually control chromium right
- deleted 9mo ago
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afavour 9mo ago
But the fact remains that if Apple abandoned Swift tomorrow the language would almost certainly wither and die.

by nomel 9mo ago

heavyset_go 9mo ago

It's about as maintained by the "open source community" as Android is lol

Aurornis 9mo ago

I know Swift is technically not Apple specific, but it says right there in your quote that it was created for Apple and Apple is the giant weight behind it. I doubt Apple is in danger of dropping Swift, but if they did it would create a devastating vacuum in the Swift ecosystem.

dochtman 9mo ago

I'd bet a supermajority of Swift commits comes from Apple developers. Pretty sure the rust-lang/rust commit authors would be much less centralized.

piyuv 9mo ago

Swift being maintained by the open source community is an illusion. The community was very against function builders. Apple went ahead and did it anyway because they needed it for SwiftUI. The open source community just provides discussion, and Apple gets its way either way.

vor_ 9mo ago
> The community was very against function builders. Scanning the multiple review threads, that doesn't appear to be the case. According to the acceptance post, the community was overall positive about the feature but expressed concerns over the attribute naming, which was renamed in response.
- saagarjha 9mo ago
  Read the thread reviewing the proposal.
pjmlp 9mo ago
Just like Go's dependency and package management, Google also bullied the community into their own solution.

WD-42 9mo ago

Yup just like google doesn’t actually control chromium right

deleted 9mo ago
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afavour 9mo ago

But the fact remains that if Apple abandoned Swift tomorrow the language would almost certainly wither and die.