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Starlink updates privacy policy to allow consumer data to train
- measurablefunc 8mo agoThe objective of every technocracy is to ensconce the entire planet in a panopticon. SpaceX is not sending those internet satellites into space just for consumer internet applications. Those satellites are also going to maintain the control plane for the sensors & actuators in the future technocratic panopticon.
- SkinTaco 8mo ago[flagged]
- KumaBear 8mo agoNext democratic president should force them to be labeled as a public utility and regulated as such. For “National Security” reasons of course.
- gethly 8mo agoBanking and internet for sure.
- deleted 8mo ago[deleted]
- testing43523 8mo agoYep -- https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_system) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_syst... Musk has been working on that project since 2001 at least.
- krautburglar 8mo agoWe need another young Kary, but using shrapnel instead of frogs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSVy1b-RyVM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSVy1b-RyVM
- Animats 8mo agoIs Grok listening to Starlink traffic?
- _blk 8mo agoNo, only Skynet
- ZiiS 8mo agoGiven their inherit latency, and cost; the equation for running everything via Wireguard is surly worth it.
- ranger_danger 8mo agoWireguard to where? Another ISP/VPN that can also sell/MITM your traffic just as well? Non-residential exit IPs are also very often blocked by many websites.
- ZiiS 8mo agoResidential ISPs are well setup for monitoring home traffic (and legally required to in most places). A VPS in a different jurisdiction is vastly less likely to be good at it.
- globalnode 8mo agohttps fixes that mostly - unless your talking about metadata
- kmbfjr 8mo agoIt is all metadata at this point. With statistical monitoring and sharing of netflow data, there is no anonymity on the internet. Entire businesses specialize in this; Nokia and Kentik.
- ZiiS 8mo agoYou occasionally get blocked, but not that often if you can putup with a few more captchas. Can't remember it ever being more then a minor inconvenience and well worth this cost.
- ranger_danger 8mo agoMy home internet is 5G, and many, many websites are blocked or have infinite captcha loops... even well-known sites. Etsy is blocked. Reddit/Discord/Locals is blocked. Archive.is only captcha loops. Even libera IRC is blocked. Trying to buy products online often gets the order flagged or canceled as a potential bot or VPN. IPs are rotated often so I unfortunately have to share bad-reputation IPs with people who keep the addresses on global blacklists like DroneBL that are used by many sites. Even 4chan blocks most of the IPs I get because other people post CP from there. Trying to use a VPS/cloud IP or well-known VPN provider, the experience for me is just as bad or worse. For some, the issue is a lot worse than you think.
- ChrisArchitect 8mo agoPreviously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46647716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46647716
- aquir 8mo agoSounds like loads of new VPN subscribers to me! I would certainly do it myself.
- IshKebab 8mo agoI'd be surprised if they were really going to sniff traffic and dump that into training runs. 99% of traffic is going to be encrypted these days. Probably not very useful.
- nirui 8mo agoYou're talking about a company owned by one of the richest "tech bro" out there. He's not just an ISP, he's a visionary (for better or worse) with a lots of ideas. TLS payload is encrypted, but meta data (such as SNI and other fingerprints) is not. These meta data could still be valuable for someone who know how to utilize it.
- DecoySalamander 8mo agoThe most interesting data running through Starlink is Ukrainian and Russian military comms (including feeds from drones). I wonder if Musk actually plans to tap into that.
- bstsb 8mo agoi wonder what consumer data they even have to train? they explicitly disclaim using customers’ internet data: > As a Starlink customer, you may share information with third parties (for example, when you send an email or communicate with a third-party website). In this context, we are not sharing personal information; you are using our Services to share data, and we are merely connecting you to the Internet. edit: reading this again, i may have misinterpreted this as “we don’t share this data” instead of “this isn’t considered us sharing data”. although in Section 1 they say they only collect diagnostic data in relation to customers’ connection speed/duration etc