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Generally speaking, liability for a thing falls on the owner/operator. That person can sue the manufacturer to recover the damages if they want. At some point,
by gizmo686 9mo ago
Generally speaking, liability for a thing falls on the owner/operator. That person can sue the manufacturer to recover the damages if they want. At some point, I expect it to become somewhat routine for insurures to pay out, then sue the manufacturer to recover.
- amelius 9mo agoOr at some point subscribing to a service may be easier than owning the damn thing.
- DaSHacka 9mo agoAll according to plan
- koakuma-chan 9mo agoIt already doesn't make sense to own a car for me. It's cheaper to just call an Uber.
- paulddraper 9mo agoDepends how often. Multiple Ubers per day are expensive. ($55 x 365 = $20,000) All in, a budget car costs less than half of that per year. But if you replace some of that with public transportation, or a car is otherwise impractical, the math changes.
- gffrd 9mo agoFor some this is the case. For others, this is not the case.
- amelius 9mo agosome -> most ?
- DaSHacka 9mo agoIn west/east coast cities maybe. Talk to anyone from the midwest about not owning a car and they'll laugh you out of the room. Well, unless it's because youre proposing they switch to ATV's and Snowmobiles, in which case there some people can technically get by without a traditional automobile.
- ghaff 9mo agoI'm guessing that's a fairly city viewpoint. My car is setup with roofrack and carries a lot of other gear I want. I'm regularly in places without reliable cell etc. Visiting friends can easily be an hour drive.
- koakuma-chan 9mo agoYes, a city viewport. I usually just walk, but when I don't I most often take the subway, not even Uber. Though I feel like in Toronto the subway or some part thereof is closed or under maintenance or whatever way too often. It's not very reliable.
- amelius 9mo agoIf you take off the conspiracy hat, you will see that there are many advantages to not owning a product. Such as that the vendor's incentives are better aligned with yours. For example, if the thing breaks, it is in __their__ best interest to fix it (or to not let it break in the first place). This also has positive implications for sustainability.
- physicles 9mo agoIt’s also in their best interest to set the price so as to maximize their own profits. If switching costs or monopoly power allow them to set a higher price, they will do so. Have we learned nothing from a decade of subscription services?
- einpoklum 9mo agoAh, but could one not argue that the owner of the self-driving car is _not_ the operator, and it is the car, or perhaps Tesla, which operates it?
- sroussey 9mo agoMercedes agrees. They take on liability when their system is operated appropriately.
- kube-system 9mo agoThey say they will, but until relevant laws are updated, this is mostly contractual and not a change to legal liability. It is similar to how an insurance company takes responsibility for the way you operate your car. If your local legal system does not absolve you from liability when operating an autonomous vehicle, you can still be sued, and Mercedes has no say in this… even though they could reimburse you.
- iknowstuff 9mo agoNo. They don’t. It was vaporware made to fool people including you. You could never actually order it and it’s canceled now in favor of an L2 system.
- kube-system 9mo agoAll Tesla vehicles require the person behind the steering wheel to supervise the operations of the vehicle and avoid accidents at all times. Also, even if a system is fully automated, that doesn’t necessarily legally isolate the person who owns it or set it into motion from liability. Vehicle law would generally need to be updated to change this.
- einpoklum 9mo agoBut that might be considered a legal trick. Suppose that, when you pay for a taxi, the standard conditions of carriage would make it your responsibility to supervise the vehicle operation and alert the driver so as to avoid accidents. Would the taxi driver and taxi company be able to eschew liability through that formalism? Probably not. The fact that Tesla makes you sign something does not automatically make the signed document valid and enforceable. It may be that it is; but then, if you are required to be watchful at all time, and be able to take over from the autonomous vehicle at all times, then - the autonomy doesn't really help you all that much, does it?
- PunchyHamster 9mo agobut tesla is the operator
- fragmede 9mo agoAside from the human in the vehicle holding the steering wheel with a foot on the pedal, that is.
- aurareturn 9mo agoThat’s today. If Tesla ever becomes fully autonomous, you won’t need that.
- PunchyHamster 9mo agogoogle what F stands for in FSD
- bdangubic 9mo agoIf I ever marry Oprah I’ll be a rich man :)