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I don't know any city with amazing public transport where driving a private car isn't nightmarish.

ben_w 9mo ago
Berlin has amazing public transport (I moved here in 2018, I never needed to get a car), I've not heard anyone complain about the experience of driving.
finolex1 9mo ago
Singapore. But anyways, the order of causation is probably reversed. Cities with high density are forced to invest in good public transport by sheer public demand and pressure.
- seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
  Singapore has an expensive plate tax that has to be renewed. They make owning a private car very expensive.
- triceratops 9mo ago
  The nightmare there is paying for the car.
bryanlarsen 9mo ago
It appears that driving a private car in the Netherlands isn't near as nightmarish as elsewhere.
- ezst 9mo ago
  The Netherlands is peculiar in that cyclists reclaimed their rights to the cities by kicking cars out of them.
  - bryanlarsen 9mo ago
    Cars haven't been kicked out of cities in the Netherlands.
    - ezst 9mo ago
      https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/how-dutch-got-their-cycle-paths/32021/ https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollecti... https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2025/03/05/a-rare-glimpse-of-utrecht-in-1993-a-before-and-after/ https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2025/03/05/a-rare-glimpse... https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ittddm/how_a_busy_road_was_transformed_into_a_canal_in/ https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ittddm/how_a_busy_r... https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-news/history-amsterdam-car-free-sundays https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-news/history-amster...
      - bryanlarsen 9mo ago
        Removing cars from a street or two and decreasing the number of lanes on many streets is a far cry from "kicking cars out of cities"
        ezst 9mo ago
        The above-linked protests led to re-drawing urban development plans for most major Dutch cities with the effect of reducing the prevalence (and necessity) of cars in city centers. Whole housing blocks were getting destroyed as to build highways, canals were dried so cars could run in their place. All that was undone, and more, and nowadays Dutch cities are a shining example of how liveable urban centers are with fewer/close to no cars. Those are well documented facts, I don't know what you are even arguing about.
        bryanlarsen 9mo ago
        Fewer cars. not no cars
        9mo ago
pjmlp 9mo ago
I don't know any city with amazing public transport, except for the lucky ones that can afford to live directly into the city center.

ben_w 9mo ago

Berlin has amazing public transport (I moved here in 2018, I never needed to get a car), I've not heard anyone complain about the experience of driving.

finolex1 9mo ago

Singapore. But anyways, the order of causation is probably reversed. Cities with high density are forced to invest in good public transport by sheer public demand and pressure.

seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
Singapore has an expensive plate tax that has to be renewed. They make owning a private car very expensive.
triceratops 9mo ago
The nightmare there is paying for the car.

bryanlarsen 9mo ago

It appears that driving a private car in the Netherlands isn't near as nightmarish as elsewhere.

ezst 9mo ago
The Netherlands is peculiar in that cyclists reclaimed their rights to the cities by kicking cars out of them.
- bryanlarsen 9mo ago
  Cars haven't been kicked out of cities in the Netherlands.
  - ezst 9mo ago
    https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/how-dutch-got-their-cycle-paths/32021/ https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollecti... https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2025/03/05/a-rare-glimpse-of-utrecht-in-1993-a-before-and-after/ https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2025/03/05/a-rare-glimpse... https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ittddm/how_a_busy_road_was_transformed_into_a_canal_in/ https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ittddm/how_a_busy_r... https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-news/history-amsterdam-car-free-sundays https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-news/history-amster...
    - bryanlarsen 9mo ago
      Removing cars from a street or two and decreasing the number of lanes on many streets is a far cry from "kicking cars out of cities"
      - ezst 9mo ago
        The above-linked protests led to re-drawing urban development plans for most major Dutch cities with the effect of reducing the prevalence (and necessity) of cars in city centers. Whole housing blocks were getting destroyed as to build highways, canals were dried so cars could run in their place. All that was undone, and more, and nowadays Dutch cities are a shining example of how liveable urban centers are with fewer/close to no cars. Those are well documented facts, I don't know what you are even arguing about.
        bryanlarsen 9mo ago
        Fewer cars. not no cars
        9mo ago

pjmlp 9mo ago

I don't know any city with amazing public transport, except for the lucky ones that can afford to live directly into the city center.