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Because research on real humans and real diseases is exceptionally difficult. Clinical research is notoriously expensive, results are likely to differ from non-
by ngriffiths 9mo ago
Because research on real humans and real diseases is exceptionally difficult. Clinical research is notoriously expensive, results are likely to differ from non-human (preclinical) models, and trials take forever to get started, gather enough data, and get a drug actually reviewed and approved. So even when everyone is excited by the preclinical data, there are so many barriers (both scientific and non-scientific) that getting to an approved drug is pretty unlikely.
- dyauspitr 9mo agoWe really should be able to grow human bodies without a brain for testing purposes. It’s gruesome but realistically victimless at the end of the day.
- ngriffiths 9mo agoI don't think the biology is there, let alone consensus on the major ethical questions involved
- giardini 9mo agoCan you imagine the political/religious push-back were you to do that?! Growth of single human organs or organ tissue is easier, cheaper and less fraught with political peril.
- baka367 9mo agoAs someone whose mother died to pancan, I could really care less on any of the brainwashed old farts in their churches or parliaments. None of that matters to me or the people suffering from cancers, it’s al Knut a selfish obstruction attaching religion to the research material
- lenerdenator 9mo agoI hear ya. I don't care what they think either. Unfortunately, they can vote.
- giardini 9mo agoHey, you missed the easier, cheaper part. Answer rationally, otherwise you're just social network clickbait.
- stevenwoo 9mo agoThe anti abortion and anti birth control contingent would never let even a little of that happen in countries with significant fundamentalist and Catholic voters. There are plenty of examples where these people force babies to be born without a brain on principle. Just recently https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-woman-carrying-fetus-skull-seek-abortion-another-state-rcna45005 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-woman-carryin... One can go back to something like Terri Schiavo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case
- philsnow 9mo agoWhat do you mean by "without a brain"? There are multiple examples in the literature of people leading perfectly ordinary lives whilst unknowingly having no more than 5% of the typical amount of brain matter (typically because of hydrocephalus). For example, https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.7434023 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.7434023 from 1980.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoThey mean stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly. The brain is indeed incredibly resilient - some kids with serious epilepsy get an entire hemisphere taken out - but which 5% you're left with matters enormously.
- greygoo222 9mo ago[dead]
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- kens 9mo agoA more practical option is using brain-dead humans for medical testing. This was discussed recently in the journal Science, using the term "physiologically maintained deceased". As they say, this "traverses complex ethical and moral terrain". (I've seen enough zombie movies to know how this ends up :-) https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt3527 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt3527
- dekhn 9mo agoThis sounds ethically questionable to me. I wouldn't rule it out entirely, but I'd want to see a well-reasoned argument, both technical and moral, that it was likely to lead to greatly reduced suffering for patients. Even then.... growing a body without a brain likely would not produce a model organism with predictive ability for human diseases.
- dyauspitr 9mo agoI believe it could for a large number of tests. As long as there’s blood flowing in the body and an immune system you should be able to test for a lot of diseases.
- Tade0 9mo agoWe have the next best thing: organoids.
- namuol 9mo ago> human bodies without a brain for testing I think the way a drug impacts the brain is kind of important