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Without phones, we couldn’t talk to people across great distances (oversimplification but you get it). Without Generative AI, we couldn’t…?

shepherdjerred 8mo ago
Are you really implying that generative AI doesn't enable things that were not previously possible?
- solid_fuel 8mo ago
  Can you name one thing generative AI enables that wasn't previously possible?
  - deleted 8mo ago
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  - pixl97 8mo ago
    Can you name one thing a plow enables that wasn't previously possible? This line of thinking is ridiculous.
    - Larrikin 8mo ago
      A plow enables you to till land you couldn't before with your bare hands. The phone let's you talk to someone you couldn't before when shouting can't. ChatGPT let's you... Please complete the sentence without an analogy
      - simianwords 8mo ago
        This conversation is naive and simplifies technologies into “does it achieve something you otherwise couldn’t”. The answer is that chatgpt allows you to do things more efficiently than before. Efficiency doesn’t sound sexy but this is what adds up to higher prosperity. Arguments like this can be used against internet. What does it allow you to do now that you couldn’t do before? Answer might be “oh I don’t know, it allows me to search and index information, talk to friends”. It doesn’t sound that sexy. You can still visit a library. You can still phone your friends. But the ease of doing so adds up and creates a whole ecosystem that brings so many things.
      - mcv 8mo ago
        ...generate piles of low quality content for almost free. AI is fascinating technology with undoubtedly fantastic applications in the future, but LLMs mostly seem to be doing two things: provide a small speedup for high quality work, and provide a massive speedup to low quality work. I don't think it's comparable to the plow or the phone in its impact on society, unless that impact will be drowning us in slop.
        pixl97 8mo ago
        There is a particular problem that comes with your line of thinking and why AI will never be able to solve it. In fact it's not a solved human problem either. And that is slop work is always easier and cheaper than doing something right. We can make perfectly good products as it is, yet we find Shien and Temu filled with crap. That's not related to AI. Humans drown themselves in trash whenever we gain the technological capability to do so. To put this another way, you cannot get a 10x speed up in high quality work without also getting a 1000x speed up in low quality work. We'll pretty much have to kill any further technological advancement if that's a showstopper for you.
      - criley2 8mo ago
        They tilled by hand for thousands of years before inventing a plow to speed it up. They spoke slowly, through letters, until phones sped it up. We coded slowly, letter by letter, until agents sped it up.
      - pixl97 8mo ago
        >A plow enables you to till land you couldn't before with your bare hands. It does not. You could still till the land with hand tools. You just get a lot more done. ChatGPT let's me program in languages I was not efficient in before. Anyway, I'm done with your technology purity contest, it has about zero basis in reality.
        Larrikin 8mo ago
        Why are you so mad? You're the only one in these comments dismissing arguments because you don't like them. Are you invested?
        pixl97 8mo ago
        No. I'm just stating that a huge portion of these comments have their own emotional investment and are confusing OUGHT/IS. On top of that their arguments aren't particularly sound, and if they were applied to any other technologies that we worship here in the church of HN would seem like an advanced form of hypocrisy.
- Larrikin 8mo ago
  It's actually a fair question. There are software projects I wouldn't have taken on without an LLM. Not because I couldn't make it. But because of the time needed to create it. I could have taken the time to do the math to figure out what the rewards structure is for my Wawa points and compare it to my car's fuel tank to discover I should strictly buy sandwiches and never gas. People have been making nude celebrity photos for decades now with just Photoshop. Some activities have gotten a speed up. But so far it was all possible before just possibly not feasible.
  - simianwords 8mo ago
    What did internet bring?
  - shepherdjerred 8mo ago
    Would it be fair to say a car or plane aren’t significant then, given we could always traverse by horse or boat?
- jamiek88 8mo ago
  Name some then! I initially scoffed too but I can only think of stuff LLM’s make easier not things that were impossible previously.
  - pixl97 8mo ago
    Isn't that the vast majority of products? By making things easier they change the scale it is accomplished at? Farming wasn't previously impossible before the tractor. People seemingly have some very odd views on products when it comes to AI.
- queenkjuul 8mo ago
  For the most part, it hasn't. What do you consider previously impossible, and how is it good for the world?
- freejazz 8mo ago
  > were not previously possible? How obtuse. The poster is saying they don't enable anything of value.
simianwords 8mo ago
Whats the big deal in talking to people across great distances? We can live without it.

shepherdjerred 8mo ago

Are you really implying that generative AI doesn't enable things that were not previously possible?

solid_fuel 8mo ago
Can you name one thing generative AI enables that wasn't previously possible?
- deleted 8mo ago
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- pixl97 8mo ago
  Can you name one thing a plow enables that wasn't previously possible? This line of thinking is ridiculous.
  - Larrikin 8mo ago
    A plow enables you to till land you couldn't before with your bare hands. The phone let's you talk to someone you couldn't before when shouting can't. ChatGPT let's you... Please complete the sentence without an analogy
    - simianwords 8mo ago
      This conversation is naive and simplifies technologies into “does it achieve something you otherwise couldn’t”. The answer is that chatgpt allows you to do things more efficiently than before. Efficiency doesn’t sound sexy but this is what adds up to higher prosperity. Arguments like this can be used against internet. What does it allow you to do now that you couldn’t do before? Answer might be “oh I don’t know, it allows me to search and index information, talk to friends”. It doesn’t sound that sexy. You can still visit a library. You can still phone your friends. But the ease of doing so adds up and creates a whole ecosystem that brings so many things.
    - mcv 8mo ago
      ...generate piles of low quality content for almost free. AI is fascinating technology with undoubtedly fantastic applications in the future, but LLMs mostly seem to be doing two things: provide a small speedup for high quality work, and provide a massive speedup to low quality work. I don't think it's comparable to the plow or the phone in its impact on society, unless that impact will be drowning us in slop.
      - pixl97 8mo ago
        There is a particular problem that comes with your line of thinking and why AI will never be able to solve it. In fact it's not a solved human problem either. And that is slop work is always easier and cheaper than doing something right. We can make perfectly good products as it is, yet we find Shien and Temu filled with crap. That's not related to AI. Humans drown themselves in trash whenever we gain the technological capability to do so. To put this another way, you cannot get a 10x speed up in high quality work without also getting a 1000x speed up in low quality work. We'll pretty much have to kill any further technological advancement if that's a showstopper for you.
    - criley2 8mo ago
      They tilled by hand for thousands of years before inventing a plow to speed it up. They spoke slowly, through letters, until phones sped it up. We coded slowly, letter by letter, until agents sped it up.
    - pixl97 8mo ago
      >A plow enables you to till land you couldn't before with your bare hands. It does not. You could still till the land with hand tools. You just get a lot more done. ChatGPT let's me program in languages I was not efficient in before. Anyway, I'm done with your technology purity contest, it has about zero basis in reality.
      - Larrikin 8mo ago
        Why are you so mad? You're the only one in these comments dismissing arguments because you don't like them. Are you invested?
        pixl97 8mo ago
        No. I'm just stating that a huge portion of these comments have their own emotional investment and are confusing OUGHT/IS. On top of that their arguments aren't particularly sound, and if they were applied to any other technologies that we worship here in the church of HN would seem like an advanced form of hypocrisy.
Larrikin 8mo ago
It's actually a fair question. There are software projects I wouldn't have taken on without an LLM. Not because I couldn't make it. But because of the time needed to create it. I could have taken the time to do the math to figure out what the rewards structure is for my Wawa points and compare it to my car's fuel tank to discover I should strictly buy sandwiches and never gas. People have been making nude celebrity photos for decades now with just Photoshop. Some activities have gotten a speed up. But so far it was all possible before just possibly not feasible.
- simianwords 8mo ago
  What did internet bring?
- shepherdjerred 8mo ago
  Would it be fair to say a car or plane aren’t significant then, given we could always traverse by horse or boat?
jamiek88 8mo ago
Name some then! I initially scoffed too but I can only think of stuff LLM’s make easier not things that were impossible previously.
- pixl97 8mo ago
  Isn't that the vast majority of products? By making things easier they change the scale it is accomplished at? Farming wasn't previously impossible before the tractor. People seemingly have some very odd views on products when it comes to AI.
queenkjuul 8mo ago
For the most part, it hasn't. What do you consider previously impossible, and how is it good for the world?
freejazz 8mo ago
> were not previously possible? How obtuse. The poster is saying they don't enable anything of value.

simianwords 8mo ago

Whats the big deal in talking to people across great distances? We can live without it.