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Apple forced me to switch to Linux! Linux should consider paying Microsoft and Apple for new customers. Perhaps the customer acquisition funnel is quite long,

Apple forced me to switch to Linux! Linux should consider paying Microsoft and Apple for new customers. Perhaps the customer acquisition funnel is quite long, at least it took 20 years of using Apple in my case before switching to Debian (Xfce), but it was worth it!

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stuartjohnson12 9mo ago
It's only fair that Linux should pay 10% of the license fee for their software to Microsoft in exchange
jasoneckert 9mo ago
If Linux had a revenue stream and model, this would make sense. But the style of open-source is to make good software, and let others gravitate to you as a result.
jhickok 9mo ago
I am good laptop hardware away from making the move.
- deleted 9mo ago
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- SomeHacker44 9mo ago
  HP Zbook Ultra G1a, 128GB RAM. Add SSD to taste. HP supported (Canonical OEM) Ubuntu with KDE. Works great as a daily driver with a UGreen GAN charger.
  - jhickok 9mo ago
    Interesting, I had never even heard of this laptop! Thanks for the tip!
- aljgz 9mo ago
  I'm on frame.work with AMD, 96GB RAM. Using it with fedora+KDE Absolutely love it
  - jhickok 9mo ago
    Do they still use a paddle trackpad? Framework seems like its nearly perfect for me, even if I would miss Apple's displays on the MBP.
    - poolnoodle 9mo ago
      Frameworks are built like crap. Sorry for the language. Watch the laptop olympics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96O0Sn1LXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96O0Sn1LXA
- gregors 9mo ago
  thinkpad
- neop1x 9mo ago
  I can also recommend HP Zbook Ultra G1a. It's probably the closest thing to Macbooks at the moment. It has lower battery life and latest M chips are still faster but it's fast enough for me. The hardware is solid and sw support is great.
rafaelmn 9mo ago
As much as I love the idea of moving to Linux - Mac hardware is like two years ahead of PC currently in pretty much any regard aside from gaming. I keep looking for an iteration where it makes sense to switch but currently the intel core 3 stuff is at best comparable to M5 base. Strix Halo is much more power hungry and also not that impressive other than having a bunch of cores. Nothing comes close to the pro/max chips in M4 series. And with RAM/storage pricing Apple upgrades are looking reasonably priced (TBD when M5 Pro devices launch). So I can either get a top tier tool when I upgrade this year or I can buy a subpar device, and the power management is going to likely be even worse on Linux.
- miyuru 9mo ago
  There is Asahi Linux project for Apple Silicon Macs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
  - morshu9001 9mo ago
    It's not really viable
- reconnecting 9mo ago
  So whatever resources you have, Apple will use them mostly to render 3D glass effects. With Debian (Xfce), I can't speak for other desktop environments, you need roughly three times fewer resources to run the OS itself.
  - deaux 9mo ago
    Or you just don't run Tahoe?
    - reconnecting 9mo ago
      Actually, you don't have this choice anymore. Apple is disabling downgrading across all of iOS, and starting to do the same with MacOS. So you need to keep old hardware to run older MacOS versions, and it's only a matter of a few years before Tahoe is the latest OS you can run on your Mac.
ecshafer 9mo ago
As a regular linux user for the last 20 years, who had used windows for games for about 25 of the last 30 years. When I had gotten a macbook pro for work in a company that was all apple there were three things that stood out: The M processors are amazing, the apple hardware is really good, and mac os is absolutely awful. I have no idea how people use mac.
- reconnecting 9mo ago
  Man, we didn't have this all along. Six years ago everything was stable and solid, but Apple's board of directors seems to have decided that new Mac users can't handle a computer interface anymore and started merging it with mobile OS interfaces. And the result is absolutely terrible.
  - steve1977 9mo ago
    They also decided that they have to capture React devs and everything should use a declarative UI, which has brought us the wonderful new Systems Settings.
- manuelmoreale 9mo ago
  > and mac os is absolutely awful. I have no idea how people use Mac. Not sure about other people, but in my case I spend 99% of the time using software made by 3rd parties so my exposure to the OS is very limited. Latest OS is making life miserable though, compared to all the previous releases.
- AdamN 9mo ago
  Anything in particular? I get that it takes some tweaking but so does Linux. The biggest thing that you'll probably never get the way you want is window tiling - it's my personal bugaboo with MacOS. Maybe there's a way to get what I want ...
  - chezelenkoooo 9mo ago
    There's a couple but nothing I've found at the level of i3 or whatever the hyprland equivalent is.
zabzonk 9mo ago
> Linux should consider paying Microsoft and Apple Who or what is the "Linux" entity in this context?
- avaer 9mo ago
  Also who is paying "Linux" and for what? Maybe the answer ends up being Valve.
  - breezykoi 9mo ago
    Well at least Microsoft is a platinum member of the Linux Foundation for many years...
- breezykoi 9mo ago
  Joking aside, I often hear people say "they should" when talking about GNU/Linux (for example: "they should just standardize on one audio stack"), as if there were a central authority making those decisions. What many don't realize is that with FOSS comes freedom of choice... and inevitably, an abundance of choice. That diversity isn't a flaw, it's a consequence of how the ecosystem works.
  - morshu9001 9mo ago
    There's free choice for those OSes to use different kernels, but they don't, they all use the same Linux (rather than say BSD). There's a lot of advantage in getting aligned on things, even though anyone can choose not to.
    - breezykoi 9mo ago
      It is true that Linux-based distributions have this thing in common: the Linux kernel. There have been some GNU/Hurd variants though...
- morshu9001 9mo ago
  I guess Linus Torvalds and co? First they'd need to standardize a Linux desktop OS.
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kaydub 9mo ago
If there was an easy and supported way to put linux on a macbook I'd be back on linux but I can't give up the hardware.
geophile 9mo ago
For a long time, I had a MBP (this is in Intel days), with a Linux VM. It was like a reverse mullet, party in front (multimedia), work in back (dev). And then: - Butterfly keyboard - Touchbar - M-series CPUs, which, while technically awesome, did not allow for Linux VMs. So I switched to System76/Linux (Pop OS) and that has been wonderful, not to mention, much cheaper.
- reconnecting 9mo ago
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  - bnchrch 9mo ago
    See I'm a ends justify the means guy: The more people forced into the beautiful world of capslock is escape the better!
    - reconnecting 9mo ago
      Your website has stained my screen. lol background-image: radial-gradient(circle at 12% 24%, var(--text-primary) 1.5px, transparent 1.5px), radial-gradient(circle at 73% 67%, var(--text-primary) 1px, transparent 1px), radial-gradient(circle at 41% 92%, var(--text-primary) 1.2px, transparent 1.2px), radial-gradient(circle at 89% 15%, var(--text-primary) 1px, transparent 1px);

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stuartjohnson12 9mo ago

It's only fair that Linux should pay 10% of the license fee for their software to Microsoft in exchange

jasoneckert 9mo ago

If Linux had a revenue stream and model, this would make sense. But the style of open-source is to make good software, and let others gravitate to you as a result.

jhickok 9mo ago

I am good laptop hardware away from making the move.

deleted 9mo ago
[deleted]
SomeHacker44 9mo ago
HP Zbook Ultra G1a, 128GB RAM. Add SSD to taste. HP supported (Canonical OEM) Ubuntu with KDE. Works great as a daily driver with a UGreen GAN charger.
- jhickok 9mo ago
  Interesting, I had never even heard of this laptop! Thanks for the tip!
aljgz 9mo ago
I'm on frame.work with AMD, 96GB RAM. Using it with fedora+KDE Absolutely love it
- jhickok 9mo ago
  Do they still use a paddle trackpad? Framework seems like its nearly perfect for me, even if I would miss Apple's displays on the MBP.
  - poolnoodle 9mo ago
    Frameworks are built like crap. Sorry for the language. Watch the laptop olympics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96O0Sn1LXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M96O0Sn1LXA
gregors 9mo ago
thinkpad
neop1x 9mo ago
I can also recommend HP Zbook Ultra G1a. It's probably the closest thing to Macbooks at the moment. It has lower battery life and latest M chips are still faster but it's fast enough for me. The hardware is solid and sw support is great.

rafaelmn 9mo ago

As much as I love the idea of moving to Linux - Mac hardware is like two years ahead of PC currently in pretty much any regard aside from gaming. I keep looking for an iteration where it makes sense to switch but currently the intel core 3 stuff is at best comparable to M5 base. Strix Halo is much more power hungry and also not that impressive other than having a bunch of cores. Nothing comes close to the pro/max chips in M4 series. And with RAM/storage pricing Apple upgrades are looking reasonably priced (TBD when M5 Pro devices launch). So I can either get a top tier tool when I upgrade this year or I can buy a subpar device, and the power management is going to likely be even worse on Linux.

miyuru 9mo ago
There is Asahi Linux project for Apple Silicon Macs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
- morshu9001 9mo ago
  It's not really viable
reconnecting 9mo ago
So whatever resources you have, Apple will use them mostly to render 3D glass effects. With Debian (Xfce), I can't speak for other desktop environments, you need roughly three times fewer resources to run the OS itself.
- deaux 9mo ago
  Or you just don't run Tahoe?
  - reconnecting 9mo ago
    Actually, you don't have this choice anymore. Apple is disabling downgrading across all of iOS, and starting to do the same with MacOS. So you need to keep old hardware to run older MacOS versions, and it's only a matter of a few years before Tahoe is the latest OS you can run on your Mac.

ecshafer 9mo ago

As a regular linux user for the last 20 years, who had used windows for games for about 25 of the last 30 years. When I had gotten a macbook pro for work in a company that was all apple there were three things that stood out: The M processors are amazing, the apple hardware is really good, and mac os is absolutely awful. I have no idea how people use mac.

reconnecting 9mo ago
Man, we didn't have this all along. Six years ago everything was stable and solid, but Apple's board of directors seems to have decided that new Mac users can't handle a computer interface anymore and started merging it with mobile OS interfaces. And the result is absolutely terrible.
- steve1977 9mo ago
  They also decided that they have to capture React devs and everything should use a declarative UI, which has brought us the wonderful new Systems Settings.
manuelmoreale 9mo ago
> and mac os is absolutely awful. I have no idea how people use Mac. Not sure about other people, but in my case I spend 99% of the time using software made by 3rd parties so my exposure to the OS is very limited. Latest OS is making life miserable though, compared to all the previous releases.
AdamN 9mo ago
Anything in particular? I get that it takes some tweaking but so does Linux. The biggest thing that you'll probably never get the way you want is window tiling - it's my personal bugaboo with MacOS. Maybe there's a way to get what I want ...
- chezelenkoooo 9mo ago
  There's a couple but nothing I've found at the level of i3 or whatever the hyprland equivalent is.

zabzonk 9mo ago

> Linux should consider paying Microsoft and Apple Who or what is the "Linux" entity in this context?

avaer 9mo ago
Also who is paying "Linux" and for what? Maybe the answer ends up being Valve.
- breezykoi 9mo ago
  Well at least Microsoft is a platinum member of the Linux Foundation for many years...
breezykoi 9mo ago
Joking aside, I often hear people say "they should" when talking about GNU/Linux (for example: "they should just standardize on one audio stack"), as if there were a central authority making those decisions. What many don't realize is that with FOSS comes freedom of choice... and inevitably, an abundance of choice. That diversity isn't a flaw, it's a consequence of how the ecosystem works.
- morshu9001 9mo ago
  There's free choice for those OSes to use different kernels, but they don't, they all use the same Linux (rather than say BSD). There's a lot of advantage in getting aligned on things, even though anyone can choose not to.
  - breezykoi 9mo ago
    It is true that Linux-based distributions have this thing in common: the Linux kernel. There have been some GNU/Hurd variants though...
morshu9001 9mo ago
I guess Linus Torvalds and co? First they'd need to standardize a Linux desktop OS.

deleted 9mo ago

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kaydub 9mo ago

If there was an easy and supported way to put linux on a macbook I'd be back on linux but I can't give up the hardware.

geophile 9mo ago

For a long time, I had a MBP (this is in Intel days), with a Linux VM. It was like a reverse mullet, party in front (multimedia), work in back (dev). And then: - Butterfly keyboard - Touchbar - M-series CPUs, which, while technically awesome, did not allow for Linux VMs. So I switched to System76/Linux (Pop OS) and that has been wonderful, not to mention, much cheaper.

reconnecting 9mo ago
- No esc
- bnchrch 9mo ago
  See I'm a ends justify the means guy: The more people forced into the beautiful world of capslock is escape the better!
  - reconnecting 9mo ago
    Your website has stained my screen. lol background-image: radial-gradient(circle at 12% 24%, var(--text-primary) 1.5px, transparent 1.5px), radial-gradient(circle at 73% 67%, var(--text-primary) 1px, transparent 1px), radial-gradient(circle at 41% 92%, var(--text-primary) 1.2px, transparent 1.2px), radial-gradient(circle at 89% 15%, var(--text-primary) 1px, transparent 1px);