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This is one of Deno's killer use cases IMO. 100x better than shell scripting and like 5x better than Python scripting. Python should be good for this sort of th

This is one of Deno's killer use cases IMO. 100x better than shell scripting and like 5x better than Python scripting. Python should be good for this sort of thing, but it isn't. Historically we had to use pip which was super janky. Uv solves most of pip's issues but you still do have to deal with venvs and one issue it doesn't solve is that you can't do imports by relative file path which is something you always end up wanting for ad-hoc scripting. You can use relative package paths but that's totally different.

wiseowise 9mo ago
> 5x better than Python scripting I’m not sure about that. All those ‘await’s, parentheses really kill my mojo. Why do you find it better than Python?
- IshKebab 9mo ago
  > Why do you find it better than Python? I said already - the main reason is you can import files by relative file path. You can get close to the Deno UX with uv and a script like this: #!/usr/bin/env -S uv run --script # # /// script # requires-python = ">=3.12" # dependencies = ["httpx"] # /// import httpx print(httpx.get("https://example.com")) But you still have to deal with the venv e.g. for IDE support, linting and so on. It's just more janky than Deno. I wish someone would make a nice modern scripting language with arbitrary precision integers, static types, file path imports, third party dependencies in single files, etc. Deno is the closest thing I've found but in spite of how good Typescript is there are still a ton of Javascript warts you can't get away from (`var`, `==`, the number format, the prototype system, janky map/reduce design, etc.)
  - fainpul 9mo ago
    PowerShell is pretty good for shell scripting. iwr https://example.com You also have arbitrary precision integers and all the other stuff from .NET $b = [BigInt]::Parse('10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000')
    - IshKebab 9mo ago
      Powershell has god awful syntax though. There's no way I'd want to do anything remotely significant with it.
      - jcgl 9mo ago
        PowerShell’s syntax Is just fine. Very few special characters, minimal escaping, easy to read. If you understand PowerShell semantics, the syntax comes quite naturally.
  - tracker1 9mo ago
    Should be able to get better shebang detection for Python similar to this one I requested for Deno/TS ... no longer need the .ts extension for my local use. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/287819 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/287819
- tracker1 9mo ago
  For me, it's mostly that I'm more comfortable with TS/JS ecosystem... Deno is really nice in that you can import module references directly... I guess you can do similar with uv installed and have dependencies in comments in the top of the file (in another comment). For me, though TS is something I'm generally using anyway, web projects, etc. I'm comfortable with it, and there are modules for almost everything under the sun.. except a working MS-SQL client for Deno.
PurpleRamen 9mo ago
> you can't do imports by relative file path Just add the targeted path to sys.path, or write your own importhandler. importlib might help there. But true, out of the box, imports in python3 are a bit wacky for more flexible usage.
- IshKebab 9mo ago
  Both of those are horrible and break all tooling. Deno's imports work properly.
  - PurpleRamen 9mo ago
    > Both of those are horrible and break all tooling. No, they don't. Tooling is fine with those things.
cdaringe 9mo ago
Sure is. I did rad in deno a few years ago. https://cdaringe.github.io/rad/ https://cdaringe.github.io/rad/ I may be the author and only user but i still use it frequently and it was worth the effort just for my own projects

wiseowise 9mo ago

> 5x better than Python scripting I’m not sure about that. All those ‘await’s, parentheses really kill my mojo. Why do you find it better than Python?

IshKebab 9mo ago
> Why do you find it better than Python? I said already - the main reason is you can import files by relative file path. You can get close to the Deno UX with uv and a script like this: #!/usr/bin/env -S uv run --script # # /// script # requires-python = ">=3.12" # dependencies = ["httpx"] # /// import httpx print(httpx.get("https://example.com")) But you still have to deal with the venv e.g. for IDE support, linting and so on. It's just more janky than Deno. I wish someone would make a nice modern scripting language with arbitrary precision integers, static types, file path imports, third party dependencies in single files, etc. Deno is the closest thing I've found but in spite of how good Typescript is there are still a ton of Javascript warts you can't get away from (`var`, `==`, the number format, the prototype system, janky map/reduce design, etc.)
- fainpul 9mo ago
  PowerShell is pretty good for shell scripting. iwr https://example.com You also have arbitrary precision integers and all the other stuff from .NET $b = [BigInt]::Parse('10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000')
  - IshKebab 9mo ago
    Powershell has god awful syntax though. There's no way I'd want to do anything remotely significant with it.
    - jcgl 9mo ago
      PowerShell’s syntax Is just fine. Very few special characters, minimal escaping, easy to read. If you understand PowerShell semantics, the syntax comes quite naturally.
- tracker1 9mo ago
  Should be able to get better shebang detection for Python similar to this one I requested for Deno/TS ... no longer need the .ts extension for my local use. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/287819 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/287819
tracker1 9mo ago
For me, it's mostly that I'm more comfortable with TS/JS ecosystem... Deno is really nice in that you can import module references directly... I guess you can do similar with uv installed and have dependencies in comments in the top of the file (in another comment). For me, though TS is something I'm generally using anyway, web projects, etc. I'm comfortable with it, and there are modules for almost everything under the sun.. except a working MS-SQL client for Deno.

PurpleRamen 9mo ago

> you can't do imports by relative file path Just add the targeted path to sys.path, or write your own importhandler. importlib might help there. But true, out of the box, imports in python3 are a bit wacky for more flexible usage.

IshKebab 9mo ago
Both of those are horrible and break all tooling. Deno's imports work properly.
- PurpleRamen 9mo ago
  > Both of those are horrible and break all tooling. No, they don't. Tooling is fine with those things.

cdaringe 9mo ago

Sure is. I did rad in deno a few years ago. https://cdaringe.github.io/rad/ https://cdaringe.github.io/rad/ I may be the author and only user but i still use it frequently and it was worth the effort just for my own projects