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> to follow federal agents around, harass them, and prevent them from doing their jobs. That’s textbook Obstruction of Justice. It is illegal to prevent an offi

> to follow federal agents around, harass them, and prevent them from doing their jobs. That’s textbook Obstruction of Justice. It is illegal to prevent an officer from doing their job. Filming officiers performing their jobs is not obstruction, even if it does make them uncomfortable. If it makes their jobs harder that's only because they know what they're doing is unpopular and don't want to be known to have done it. > If you don’t like the job that an officer is doing then the right thing to do is to talk to your Congress–critter about changing the law. Keep in mind that ICE is executing a law that was passed in 1995 with bipartisan support in Congress and signed by Bill Clinton. No attempt has been made to modify that law in the last 30 years. If Democrats didn’t like it, they had several majorities during that time when they could have forced through changes. They didn’t even bother. Yeah, there's a massive disconnect between politicians and their voters. This is pretty strong evidence of that disconnect. Even now Democrats refuse to support abolishing ICE, despite majority support among their constituency. Who are voters who want immigration reform supposed to cast their ballots for? There hasn't been such a candidate since ICE was created in the wake of 9/11. Conservatives got to let out their pent up frustration with an unresponsive government by electing Trump. Liberals have no such champion, only community organizing.

zahlman 9mo ago
> Filming officiers performing their jobs is not obstruction This is irrelevant, because many people have been observed physically obstructing officers, whether or not they were filming at the time. > If it makes their jobs harder Have you heard the constant blowing of whistles in these videos? Did you know that protesters have organized the mass 3d-printing and distribution of these whistles (https://www.minnpost.com/metro/2025/12/not-just-a-toy-how-whistles-became-a-tool-of-resistance-against-ice-immigration-enforcement/ https://www.minnpost.com/metro/2025/12/not-just-a-toy-how-wh... ; https://www.startribune.com/whistle-symbol-ice-protest-minneapolis-immigration-operation-agents-minnesota/601563530 https://www.startribune.com/whistle-symbol-ice-protest-minne... ; https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2026/01/21/chicagoans-send-whistles-ice-immigration https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2026/01/21/chicagoa...)? Can you imagine how this level of noise interferes with a job that involves verbal communication with both coworkers and civilians? > Even now Democrats refuse to support abolishing ICE I'm not mistaken in my understanding that Tim Walz is a Democrat, am I? The one making public speeches falsely claiming that ICE aren't LEO and encouraging "peaceful protest" without mentioning anything about obstruction of justice or resisting arrest? And you're aware that the Signal groups in question are alleged to include Democratic state officials and a campaign advisor? For that matter, exactly what do you mean by "abolishing ICE"? Should it not be replaced? Should immigration law not be enforced? Should the USA allow everyone to reside within its borders who wishes to do so, with no barriers to entry?
- watwut 9mo ago
  First you are lying. Second, noise is not an obstruction. It is ok and legal to produce whistles. What is not legal is point guns at journalists, beat people who record you on the phones and shoot people in the back because they had phone in hand and you are frustrated. What is not legal is to throw pepper spray at people who are no threat. One gotta love the "they mass produce whistles" as a grave accusation while ICE men literally openly threaten to kill people who are no threat. Or kill them and then are proud of their murdering colleagues. > I'm not mistaken in my understanding that Tim Walz is a Democrat, am I? The one making public speeches falsely claiming that ICE aren't LEO and encouraging "peaceful protest" Yes, he had good speeches. > without mentioning anything about obstruction of justice or resisting arrest? Lol, heavily armed cowards jump at observer, 8 on one, there is no resistance and then they call it resisting arrest. > For that matter, exactly what do you mean by "abolishing ICE"? Should it not be replaced? Should immigration law not be enforced? Should the USA allow everyone to reside within its borders who wishes to do so, with no barriers to entry? ICE is basically a violent gang with impossible to reform culture. You dont hire gangmembers to do law enforcement. It needs to be abolished and people in it need to be banned from working in law enforcement.
  - zahlman 9mo ago
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    - Supermancho 9mo ago
      >> Filming officiers performing their jobs is not obstruction > This is irrelevant, because many people have been observed physically obstructing officers, whether or not they were filming at the time. The OP made a point and you constructed the strawman of a hasty generalization. This is disingenuous. >> while ICE men literally openly threaten to kill people who are no threat. > Please show me where you think this has happened. Re: "You raise your voice, I erase your voice," - January 27, 2026 Free speech is a right and I support their right to say whatever they want. They are subject to their own policies beyond that. > he was not an "observer" (as demonstrated by the fact that he was in the middle of the street and a car had to swerve to avoid him), You are cherry picking. He was an observer, among other things. >> and then are proud of their murdering colleagues > Please show me where you think this has happened. 10s in - https://youtube.com/shorts/IUBkPWVg3yY?si=eYXwZ5qmL6JmXYjr https://youtube.com/shorts/IUBkPWVg3yY?si=eYXwZ5qmL6JmXYjr I'm not trying to get you to agree with anything, but it's not constructive to continue. Many of your questions are asking other people for information that is readily available. Not everyone needs to agree on everything, but I don't think it's hard to understand the various sentiments.
Empact 9mo ago
This is an inaccurate description of what they are doing. For example Renee Good was actively blockading a street, by placing her car perpendicularly across it. Some may be engaged in observation, but that is not broadly the case, and organizationally, their apparent goal is to obstruct.
- idle_zealot 9mo ago
  If she was trying to blokade the street she was doing a pretty bad job. A car goes past hers in the video where the murderer shoots her three times and calls her a "fucking bitch" while her corpse weights down the gas and her SUV goes careening down the road. That's just normal law enforcement behavior though. I'm sure if she hadn't been short with him he would've otherwise been well-behaved and enforced our immigration laws without incident.
account42 9mo ago
> despite majority support among their constituency A very vocal minority is not a majority.
- idle_zealot 9mo ago
  It's a majority of Democrat voters. > Democrats overwhelmingly support eliminating ICE (76% vs. 15%), as do nearly half of Independents (47% vs. 35%). Most Republicans (73%) continue to oppose abolishing ICE. Only 19% of Republicans support eliminating the agency https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53939-more-americans-support-than-oppose-abolishing-ice-immigration-minneapolis-shooting-poll https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53939-more-americ...
- florkbork 9mo ago
  You are factually wrong. Jan 23rd General strike, Minnesota: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Downtown_Minneapolis_protest_2026-01-23.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Downtown... https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1ql7eva/mn_01232026_drone_footage_showing_the_sprawling/ https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1ql7eva/mn_01232... This is not a 'vocal minority'. Oh, that's one blue state; right? What do the rest of Americans think? > The Economist/YouGov poll, 55 percent of respondents said they had “very little” confidence in ICE, while 16 percent said they have “some” confidence in the agency. Sixteen percent said they have “quite a lot” of confidence in ICE and 14 percent said they have “a great deal.” Source poll: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_8FWGyNz.pdf https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabRepor...

zahlman 9mo ago

> Filming officiers performing their jobs is not obstruction This is irrelevant, because many people have been observed physically obstructing officers, whether or not they were filming at the time. > If it makes their jobs harder Have you heard the constant blowing of whistles in these videos? Did you know that protesters have organized the mass 3d-printing and distribution of these whistles (https://www.minnpost.com/metro/2025/12/not-just-a-toy-how-whistles-became-a-tool-of-resistance-against-ice-immigration-enforcement/ https://www.minnpost.com/metro/2025/12/not-just-a-toy-how-wh... ; https://www.startribune.com/whistle-symbol-ice-protest-minneapolis-immigration-operation-agents-minnesota/601563530 https://www.startribune.com/whistle-symbol-ice-protest-minne... ; https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2026/01/21/chicagoans-send-whistles-ice-immigration https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2026/01/21/chicagoa...)? Can you imagine how this level of noise interferes with a job that involves verbal communication with both coworkers and civilians? > Even now Democrats refuse to support abolishing ICE I'm not mistaken in my understanding that Tim Walz is a Democrat, am I? The one making public speeches falsely claiming that ICE aren't LEO and encouraging "peaceful protest" without mentioning anything about obstruction of justice or resisting arrest? And you're aware that the Signal groups in question are alleged to include Democratic state officials and a campaign advisor? For that matter, exactly what do you mean by "abolishing ICE"? Should it not be replaced? Should immigration law not be enforced? Should the USA allow everyone to reside within its borders who wishes to do so, with no barriers to entry?

watwut 9mo ago
First you are lying. Second, noise is not an obstruction. It is ok and legal to produce whistles. What is not legal is point guns at journalists, beat people who record you on the phones and shoot people in the back because they had phone in hand and you are frustrated. What is not legal is to throw pepper spray at people who are no threat. One gotta love the "they mass produce whistles" as a grave accusation while ICE men literally openly threaten to kill people who are no threat. Or kill them and then are proud of their murdering colleagues. > I'm not mistaken in my understanding that Tim Walz is a Democrat, am I? The one making public speeches falsely claiming that ICE aren't LEO and encouraging "peaceful protest" Yes, he had good speeches. > without mentioning anything about obstruction of justice or resisting arrest? Lol, heavily armed cowards jump at observer, 8 on one, there is no resistance and then they call it resisting arrest. > For that matter, exactly what do you mean by "abolishing ICE"? Should it not be replaced? Should immigration law not be enforced? Should the USA allow everyone to reside within its borders who wishes to do so, with no barriers to entry? ICE is basically a violent gang with impossible to reform culture. You dont hire gangmembers to do law enforcement. It needs to be abolished and people in it need to be banned from working in law enforcement.
- zahlman 9mo ago
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  - Supermancho 9mo ago
    >> Filming officiers performing their jobs is not obstruction > This is irrelevant, because many people have been observed physically obstructing officers, whether or not they were filming at the time. The OP made a point and you constructed the strawman of a hasty generalization. This is disingenuous. >> while ICE men literally openly threaten to kill people who are no threat. > Please show me where you think this has happened. Re: "You raise your voice, I erase your voice," - January 27, 2026 Free speech is a right and I support their right to say whatever they want. They are subject to their own policies beyond that. > he was not an "observer" (as demonstrated by the fact that he was in the middle of the street and a car had to swerve to avoid him), You are cherry picking. He was an observer, among other things. >> and then are proud of their murdering colleagues > Please show me where you think this has happened. 10s in - https://youtube.com/shorts/IUBkPWVg3yY?si=eYXwZ5qmL6JmXYjr https://youtube.com/shorts/IUBkPWVg3yY?si=eYXwZ5qmL6JmXYjr I'm not trying to get you to agree with anything, but it's not constructive to continue. Many of your questions are asking other people for information that is readily available. Not everyone needs to agree on everything, but I don't think it's hard to understand the various sentiments.

Empact 9mo ago

This is an inaccurate description of what they are doing. For example Renee Good was actively blockading a street, by placing her car perpendicularly across it. Some may be engaged in observation, but that is not broadly the case, and organizationally, their apparent goal is to obstruct.

idle_zealot 9mo ago
If she was trying to blokade the street she was doing a pretty bad job. A car goes past hers in the video where the murderer shoots her three times and calls her a "fucking bitch" while her corpse weights down the gas and her SUV goes careening down the road. That's just normal law enforcement behavior though. I'm sure if she hadn't been short with him he would've otherwise been well-behaved and enforced our immigration laws without incident.

account42 9mo ago

> despite majority support among their constituency A very vocal minority is not a majority.

idle_zealot 9mo ago
It's a majority of Democrat voters. > Democrats overwhelmingly support eliminating ICE (76% vs. 15%), as do nearly half of Independents (47% vs. 35%). Most Republicans (73%) continue to oppose abolishing ICE. Only 19% of Republicans support eliminating the agency https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53939-more-americans-support-than-oppose-abolishing-ice-immigration-minneapolis-shooting-poll https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53939-more-americ...
florkbork 9mo ago
You are factually wrong. Jan 23rd General strike, Minnesota: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Downtown_Minneapolis_protest_2026-01-23.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Downtown... https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1ql7eva/mn_01232026_drone_footage_showing_the_sprawling/ https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1ql7eva/mn_01232... This is not a 'vocal minority'. Oh, that's one blue state; right? What do the rest of Americans think? > The Economist/YouGov poll, 55 percent of respondents said they had “very little” confidence in ICE, while 16 percent said they have “some” confidence in the agency. Sixteen percent said they have “quite a lot” of confidence in ICE and 14 percent said they have “a great deal.” Source poll: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_8FWGyNz.pdf https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabRepor...