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To your points I would add the following difference between TikTok on the one hand and cheeseburgers, drugs, cigarettes, etc. on the other. 3. Targeting -- eve

To your points I would add the following difference between TikTok on the one hand and cheeseburgers, drugs, cigarettes, etc. on the other. 3. Targeting -- even under the (debatable) premise that they are intentionally designed to be addictive, cheeseburgers, drugs and cigarettes do not actively target each addict by optimising their properties to their individual addiction. If I am addicted to smoking, the tobacco industry does indeed try to keep me hooked, among other things by offering me many flavours and alternatives. However, the cigarettes I personally consume are not constantly adjusting their formula, appearance and packet design specifically to satisfy my tastes and desires.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago
Yes. Target the algorithms, not the method of delivery. Hacker news also counts as social media, but here we all are seeing the same feed on the same site with minimal (if not zero) tracking to try and extract info from the audience. Even a first step of requiring transparency in the algorithms would quickly shatter this stronghold on people's minds.
- Mordisquitos 9mo ago
  Indeed. In fact, you may notice I explicitly left out gambling from the list of 'non targeted' addictions. The reason for that is that the delivery methods for gambling cover the whole gamut from zero to fully personalised targeting, and I didn't want that to distract from the point.
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rtpg 9mo ago
case in point: lots of places have lots of restrictions (either through legislation or just industry norms, usually a combination of both) about advertising for alcohol or tobacco. And those efforts seem effective to me, at least anecdotally. I don't feel particularly bad about those restrictions either.
- ares623 9mo ago
  nooo those restrictions aren't perfect. And if it's not perfect then it needs to be abolished! /s
ares623 9mo ago
Don't forget the most important part. Attempting to opt-out means social exclusion for a vast majority of the population.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago

Yes. Target the algorithms, not the method of delivery. Hacker news also counts as social media, but here we all are seeing the same feed on the same site with minimal (if not zero) tracking to try and extract info from the audience. Even a first step of requiring transparency in the algorithms would quickly shatter this stronghold on people's minds.

Mordisquitos 9mo ago
Indeed. In fact, you may notice I explicitly left out gambling from the list of 'non targeted' addictions. The reason for that is that the delivery methods for gambling cover the whole gamut from zero to fully personalised targeting, and I didn't want that to distract from the point.
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rtpg 9mo ago

case in point: lots of places have lots of restrictions (either through legislation or just industry norms, usually a combination of both) about advertising for alcohol or tobacco. And those efforts seem effective to me, at least anecdotally. I don't feel particularly bad about those restrictions either.

ares623 9mo ago
nooo those restrictions aren't perfect. And if it's not perfect then it needs to be abolished! /s

ares623 9mo ago

Don't forget the most important part. Attempting to opt-out means social exclusion for a vast majority of the population.