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While we’re getting rid of the first amendment maybe we should also get rid of the fourth and fifth amendment too since they make law enforcement harder? I’m su
by janalsncm 9mo ago
While we’re getting rid of the first amendment maybe we should also get rid of the fourth and fifth amendment too since they make law enforcement harder? I’m sure cops in North Korea have a much easier and safer job.
- jjk166 9mo agoCan't argue with their 110% conviction rate, North Korean tactics work.
- OhMeadhbh 9mo agoYou only have rights you exercise. Don't let the cops trample on your rights. Though... this does seem to work better for white, rich, older dudes than for other people.
- janalsncm 9mo agoI’m reminded of (I think) people in Shanghai complaining that their posts about covid lockdowns were censored, saying “we have free speech”. And if you believe in universal rights, they’re right. They do. The question is whether the government will respect and protect those rights or not.
- freejazz 9mo agoThanks.
- OhMeadhbh 9mo agoI love that THIS is the post that gets me down-voted.
- charcircuit 9mo ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 9mo agoAnd protesting is not vigilante justice.
- charcircuit 9mo ago[flagged]
- filoeleven 9mo agoThe protesters aren't the ones doing that. Have you not seen the news?
- charcircuit 9mo agoThere are protesters that are obstructing law enforcement. It is undeniable that such protestor exist and this HN thread is about going after those people.
- janalsncm 9mo agoThe thread is about going after people on Signal who are tracking officer locations. There are entirely legitimate reasons to want that information including exercising your first amendment rights at that location.
- charcircuit 9mo agoAnd there are illegitimate reasons too like going there to obstruct law enforcement operations. Since there are people obstructing law enforcement, the mechanisms that which such groups of people operate need to be investigated.
- janalsncm 9mo agoThat’s not the standard. It doesn’t matter whether there could be illegitimate reasons. There could also be illegitimate reasons for using Google Maps. It’s still allowed. What matters is the intent of the people publishing the information, which the government will need to prove was illegal.
- bdangubic 9mo ago4th amendment???! Osama killed that decades ago… they may as well take it off the books… Once we were OK having our junks touched to go from here to there the 4A effectively ceased to exist.
- jatora 9mo agoSo are you saying that the first amendment should protect government insiders leaking personal employee info to the public for the purposes of endangering those government employees, and to cause harm to their families? based on subjective opinions on whether the people think the actions of said employees are just or unjust? That's wild if so. That's quite the precedent to set. Note: I don't support ice or their actions. nor do i support vigilante justice.
- heavyset_go 9mo agoGovernment employee names are public information. What it sounds like is you want to keep that information secret, and maintain a literal secret police. It is not surprising that people don't agree with you.
- jatora 9mo agoHonestly answer: What are the intentions of people tracking these officers?
- heavyset_go 9mo agoGovernment accountability in the face of a violent secret police being imposed upon communities and murdering innocent people. Honestly answer: what is the purpose of literally every government publishing lists of their employees' names, where they work and how much they make, which includes police and teachers of small children?
- jatora 9mo agoGovernment accountability. And your answer is quite disengenuous and intellectually dishonest. They want to obstruct the law and dox ICE officers to bully them and their families. That much is very obvious. There is nothing secret about ICE lol, and nothing innocent about impeding law enforcement (not that they deserved to be shot).
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