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But not a single person has actually done so. Until it can be shown that armed citizens are making a genuine difference against government agents it's still jus

by mvdtnz 9mo ago

But not a single person has actually done so. Until it can be shown that armed citizens are making a genuine difference against government agents it's still just bluster.

quailfarmer 9mo ago
Disagree. The most valuable feature of a fraction of people having guns is that the risk of someone having a gun discourages the most extreme harassment, even if no gun is ever fired.
- misnome 9mo ago
  If only there was an extremely high profile example of how this isn’t at all true in the past several days!
- GrinningFool 9mo ago
  Yes, just like government operators were recently discouraged from escalating with that one protestor who had a legal gun that he wasn't using.
  - hammock 9mo ago
    Statistically, private CCL holders are more law-abiding than even police
- mvdtnz 9mo ago
  Two protesters were murdered by government agents (one of them armed!). How much more extreme do you want to get?
- anigbrowl 9mo ago
  You've just seen the people at the very top of the administration saying that just having a gun in any sort of proximity to federal agents = terrorist. If you show up tomorrow with a rifle on the other side of a Minnesota street from a bunch of ICE agents, do you think they're going to prioritize de-escalation and professionalism or just light you up? Serious question.
saubeidl 9mo ago
The Black Panther Party proved this works decades ago: https://www.wbur.org/npr/442801731/director-chronicles-the-black-panthers-rise-new-tactics-were-needed https://www.wbur.org/npr/442801731/director-chronicles-the-b...
stevenwoo 9mo ago
Not the same thing or even country, but the guy killing Abe with the handmade gun changed the handling of Moonie infiltration of Japanese government and society. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/02/02/how-shinzo-abes-assassination-brought-the-moonies-back-into-the-limelight https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/02/02/how-shinzo-abe...

by mvdtnz 9mo ago

But not a single person has actually done so. Until it can be shown that armed citizens are making a genuine difference against government agents it's still just bluster.

quailfarmer 9mo ago

Disagree. The most valuable feature of a fraction of people having guns is that the risk of someone having a gun discourages the most extreme harassment, even if no gun is ever fired.

misnome 9mo ago
If only there was an extremely high profile example of how this isn’t at all true in the past several days!
GrinningFool 9mo ago
Yes, just like government operators were recently discouraged from escalating with that one protestor who had a legal gun that he wasn't using.
- hammock 9mo ago
  Statistically, private CCL holders are more law-abiding than even police
mvdtnz 9mo ago
Two protesters were murdered by government agents (one of them armed!). How much more extreme do you want to get?
anigbrowl 9mo ago
You've just seen the people at the very top of the administration saying that just having a gun in any sort of proximity to federal agents = terrorist. If you show up tomorrow with a rifle on the other side of a Minnesota street from a bunch of ICE agents, do you think they're going to prioritize de-escalation and professionalism or just light you up? Serious question.

saubeidl 9mo ago

The Black Panther Party proved this works decades ago: https://www.wbur.org/npr/442801731/director-chronicles-the-black-panthers-rise-new-tactics-were-needed https://www.wbur.org/npr/442801731/director-chronicles-the-b...

stevenwoo 9mo ago

Not the same thing or even country, but the guy killing Abe with the handmade gun changed the handling of Moonie infiltration of Japanese government and society. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/02/02/how-shinzo-abes-assassination-brought-the-moonies-back-into-the-limelight https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/02/02/how-shinzo-abe...