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Trade != Immigration
by mlmonkey 8mo ago
Trade != Immigration
- schnebbau 8mo agoRight but if you want a favorable trade deal then you gotta throw in some immigration sweeteners.
- disgruntledphd2 8mo agoParticularly with India, that's normally one of their top requests.
- givemeethekeys 8mo agoWhy is it a top request from India? What does the Indian government get out of letting their kids overpay for education abroad?
- annodomini2019 8mo agoIndia gets a metric fuckload of money back in remittances every year. Debatable if that's actually worth the brain drain, but then there's also the angle of having your young people learn from the rest of the world and return with new skills. I lean more towards the remittances though.
- aurareturn 8mo agoGovernments don’t want smart people. They want dumb people because they are easier to control.
- inglor_cz 8mo agoAre dumb people, in fact, easier to control? I have seen a lot of smart people in thrall of ideologies that could be used to manipulate them left and right at will. Meanwhile, true morons tend to be unpredictably chaotic.
- aurareturn 8mo agoYea. Dumb people are lower class and uneducated. Give them a few bonuses and they’ll happily shut up.
- phainopepla2 8mo agoThis explains why governments never subsidize universities
- aurareturn 8mo agoMost do enough to keep their people from revolting.
- givemeethekeys 8mo agoIndian government universities are subsidized but difficult to get into and don’t get you on an automatic path to leaving for a better destination.
- gordonhart 8mo ago1. ~4% of their GDP is from remittances, compared to <1% a few decades ago[0] 2. India has a massive male surplus[1] and they actively look to send them abroad to prevent domestic unrest [0] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.TRF.PWKR.DT.GD.ZS?locations=IN https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.TRF.PWKR.DT.GD.ZS?lo... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India
- joe_mamba 8mo ago> look to send them abroad to prevent domestic unrest Great, now other countries can import and share that domestic social unrest from the oversupply of frustrated reproductive age celibate males, all in the name of making GDP number go up. Lovely. Surely using hindsight of documented history and well researched human behavior science, we can't already predict this will lead to a rise in political far right extremism, and everyone will be shocked as if it will suddenly come out of nowhere, and then the local males will exclusively be to blame for it, leading to further frustration, radicalisation and disenfranchisement. Surely this is not EXACTLY what's gonna happen.
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- SanjayMehta 8mo agoThey can then reserve even more seats in education for the "oppressed."
- breitling 8mo agoMark Carney should know that it would be an _extremely_ unpopular move right now to allow India more access to immigrate here.
- OddMerlin 8mo ago"Should know" and expecting a logical outcome is wishful.
- RhysabOweyn 8mo agoImmigration is absolutely a part of this deal. Interestingly, EU official communications and western media barely mention this, but the Indian government's official communication tout a "new framework for mobility" that will "open up new opportunities in the European Union for Indian students, workers, and professionals." [1] [1] https://www.mea.gov.in/Speeches-Statements.htm?dtl%2F40615%2FEnglish_Translation_of_Prime_Ministers_Press_Statement_during_the_Joint_Press_Statement_with__President_of_the_European_Council_and_President_of_the_E= https://www.mea.gov.in/Speeches-Statements.htm?dtl%2F40615%2...
- rawgabbit 8mo agoThe quote is “Alongside this ambitious FTA, we are also creating a new framework for mobility. This will open up new opportunities in the European Union for Indian students, workers, and professionals.” I read it as he is working on a separate deal besides the aforementioned FTA.
- tpm 8mo agoAs the immigration is governed by the member states themselves and not by the EU, I don't see how it can be "a part of this deal". Which is probably why the media don't mention this. There is nothing to mention.