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This will strengthen relationship and stabilize the economy a lot in the face of Trumps tariff shenanigans.

PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
My favorite part of this timeline is watching (union) leftists celebrate free trade and gun ownership. The sad part is that as soon as someone wearing a blue shirt enters office, they will get right in line with whatever the blue shirt says. I saw this with Obama's drone strikes in Syria...
- seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
  Moderates have always appreciated free trade, including Obama and Clinton, and to a lesser extent Biden. Heck, Republicans going anti-free trade is a relatively recent thing, it used to be moderates liked free trade, and so did the far right, now its just moderates liking on free trade and the far left and right not. > I saw this with Obama's drone strikes in Syria... Again, you are mistaking Obama for a far-left liberal when he was basically a moderate with no qualms on intervention. Now that we can compare Obama to a populist who claims to be but is not really a conservative either, I don't think we can claim much.
  - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
    I'm not talking about the politician, but rather the base of supporters who quickly supported things that would have been trashed if the other team did it.
    - seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
      You are charactituring their supporters just like you are the politicians. There is a wide swatch of opposition to Trump: moderates like me, and far lefties that I don't normally agree with on much. Most of the opposition to Trump are from moderates (most Americans are in the middle somewhere), although the most visible opposition is are the far left activist types (because...well...they specialize in visibility). They weren't protesting tariffs, they are protesting ICE, so really they are pretty ideological consistent.
      - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
        Again, I'm not talking about moderates. I'm talking about party loyalists. I admittedly am part of a trade organization, so I am quite friendly to both teams. Call what I see intuition. I usually place these numbers at: >Total Loyalists: 30-40% >Ideological Believers: 30-40% >Ambitious Opportunists: 30%
        seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
        > I'm talking about party loyalists. Party loyalists are moderates, the far left is the one that doesn't turn out to vote when Democrats aren't pursuing their agenda, they were the ones to get on the Bernie train, etc... > Call what I see intuition. Sure, it is obviously not fact driven.
        PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
        If you want to bring facts into this, I have bad news about metaphysical truth. >The Problem of Priors ruins basically all of science >Particulars vs Universals >Your senses are organic chemical reactions that lose reality, then you use different chemical reactions that turn it into logical thought, further simplifying and allowing mistakes. >Deflationary Theory of Truth is probably the correct one. I don't need to know about gravity to know the sun will rise tomorrow, I can use my intuition. However, my intuition also says the earth is flat. So take what you will.

My favorite part of this timeline is watching (union) leftists celebrate free trade and gun ownership. The sad part is that as soon as someone wearing a blue shirt enters office, they will get right in line with whatever the blue shirt says. I saw this with Obama's drone strikes in Syria...

seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
Moderates have always appreciated free trade, including Obama and Clinton, and to a lesser extent Biden. Heck, Republicans going anti-free trade is a relatively recent thing, it used to be moderates liked free trade, and so did the far right, now its just moderates liking on free trade and the far left and right not. > I saw this with Obama's drone strikes in Syria... Again, you are mistaking Obama for a far-left liberal when he was basically a moderate with no qualms on intervention. Now that we can compare Obama to a populist who claims to be but is not really a conservative either, I don't think we can claim much.
- PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
  I'm not talking about the politician, but rather the base of supporters who quickly supported things that would have been trashed if the other team did it.
  - seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
    You are charactituring their supporters just like you are the politicians. There is a wide swatch of opposition to Trump: moderates like me, and far lefties that I don't normally agree with on much. Most of the opposition to Trump are from moderates (most Americans are in the middle somewhere), although the most visible opposition is are the far left activist types (because...well...they specialize in visibility). They weren't protesting tariffs, they are protesting ICE, so really they are pretty ideological consistent.
    - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
      Again, I'm not talking about moderates. I'm talking about party loyalists. I admittedly am part of a trade organization, so I am quite friendly to both teams. Call what I see intuition. I usually place these numbers at: >Total Loyalists: 30-40% >Ideological Believers: 30-40% >Ambitious Opportunists: 30%
      - seanmcdirmid 9mo ago
        > I'm talking about party loyalists. Party loyalists are moderates, the far left is the one that doesn't turn out to vote when Democrats aren't pursuing their agenda, they were the ones to get on the Bernie train, etc... > Call what I see intuition. Sure, it is obviously not fact driven.
        PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
        If you want to bring facts into this, I have bad news about metaphysical truth. >The Problem of Priors ruins basically all of science >Particulars vs Universals >Your senses are organic chemical reactions that lose reality, then you use different chemical reactions that turn it into logical thought, further simplifying and allowing mistakes. >Deflationary Theory of Truth is probably the correct one. I don't need to know about gravity to know the sun will rise tomorrow, I can use my intuition. However, my intuition also says the earth is flat. So take what you will.