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Maybe no-one is interested in celebrities virtual signalling any more?

by gadders 9mo ago

jesseendahl 9mo ago
Finneas (Billie Eilish's brother) isn't one for virtue signaling from what I've seen over the years from his posts. He keeps it very real and down to earth as far as celebrities go.
- callamdelaney 9mo ago
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  - SideburnsOfDoom 9mo ago
    When the person's Wikipedia page says that they "have won 10 Grammy Awards" then yes, I think it's fair to say that they are a public figure. I mean, both are signals of celebrity - the presence of a Wikipedia page, and the awards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finneas_O%27Connell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finneas_O%27Connell
gambiting 9mo ago
Since when is speaking out against fascism virtue signalling? Like, how bad does it have to get before it's just speaking out against the attrocities happening around us and not virtue signalling? Or are celebrities just flat out not allowed to do it?
- joe_mamba 9mo ago
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  - callamdelaney 9mo ago
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  - ErroneousBosh 9mo ago
    You have government-backed thugs with guns running around murdering people who take photos of them. You have something that looks worryingly like the Ceaușescu's Securitate "disappearing" citizens - including a little 5-year-old boy - off the streets. Justify that. Justify kidnapping a terrified little boy who should be at school with his friends, and locking him up in prison. Go on, justify those actions. Let's see if you can.
    - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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      - gambiting 9mo ago
        I mean, there is a victim of false propaganda here, but I think that's you, especially given your other comments. "Stenvik said another adult living in the home was outside during the encounter and had pleaded to take care of Liam so the boy could avoid detention, but was denied. Liam’s older brother, a middle schooler, came home 20 minutes later to find his father and brother missing, Stenvik said. Two school principals from the district also arrived at the home to offer support." " An agent had taken Liam out of the car, led the boy to his front door and directed him to knock on the door asking to be let in, “in order to see if anyone else was home – essentially using a five-year-old as bait”, the superintendent said in a statement." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-... Again, how do you look yourself in the mirror every morning?
      - ErroneousBosh 9mo ago
        Thing is, his dad is not a criminal and did not run off, but was chased away by armed thugs, and his mum did not refuse to take him but was prevented from taking him by armed thugs. You have armed thugs abducting and murdering people on the streets of American cities.
    - gadders 9mo ago
      ICE looked after the 5 year old boy after his father ran off and left him.
  - saubeidl 9mo ago
    Like Alex Pretti?
    - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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      - saubeidl 9mo ago
        Shooting somebody that is already constrained is an execution, not an accident. It's what fascist regimes do to anyone they deem noncompliant.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
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        saubeidl 9mo ago
        Nobody assaulted anyone. Shooting somebody that is already on the ground in the back of their head is not self defence. ICE is not law enforcement. Impressively, you managed to misrepresent a fact with every single word in your sentence.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
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      - saagarjha 9mo ago
        Maybe we shouldn’t have a system where these happen.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
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  - curt15 9mo ago
    Fascism takes hold in stages; Nazi Germany didn't go from 0 to 100 in one day. You have to nip it in the bud before it grows up. Right now, ICE goes out of their way to beat and arrest protestors and steal their cameras. They're not yet mowing them down but by that time it would be a little late to do something about their conduct. Remember that the current US president admires how the CCP crushed the student protestors in Tiananmen square with tanks and guns.
    - joe_mamba 9mo ago
      >You have to nip it in the bud before it grows up. Sure, but if you use fascist tactics to fight fascism, are you not a fascist yourself? And people conveniently focus only on the symptoms(rise of fascism) but not on the main cause that leads to it. Like Hitler didn't just randomly get to power one day out of nowhere because the average German citizen was living such a good life. He was just one of the symptoms to a major problem that the Weimar republic didn't address and instead used fascist tactics to get rid of Hitler before he could gain power, and then guess what happened. Similarly, Trump is also only but a symptom to a larger issue. Using fascist tactics to get him out of power, only makes the counter response greeter, and not make the core problem go away.
      - WickyNilliams 9mo ago
        What fascist tactics did they use to get rid of Hitler? If you're referring to his time in prison, he was put there because he staged a putsch. Beyond that, much of the establishment and industry tried to work with him using a softly, softly approach. They thought they could steer him, temper him, leverage his popularity for their own ends. Of course, that didn't work out for them
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
        >What fascist tactics did they use to get rid of Hitler? November 1921 (Munich): During a speech at an NSDAP rally in a beer hall, an unknown assailant fired shots at Hitler from the crowd amid a melee, but he escaped unharmed. 1923 (Thuringia): An unidentified person attempted to shoot Hitler during a rally, but Nazi supporters outnumbered opponents, forcing the attacker to flee. 1923 (Memmingen): Another unknown individual tried to assassinate Hitler with a rifle but retreated when confronted by his followers. July 15, 1932 (Munich): An assailant fired shots at Hitler and SA leader Ernst Röhm while they dined at Cafe Heck, but both were unhurt. 1932 (Nuremberg): A bomb was planted in the lobby of Hitler's hotel, but it was discovered and removed before detonation. 1932 (Berlin and Munich): Two additional attempts occurred, one involving potential poisoning at the Hotel Kaiserhof in Berlin (where Hitler and staff fell ill after a meal, suspected to be deliberate contamination), though details are limited and perpetrators unidentified.
  - rsynnott 9mo ago
    > Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. This is... a pretty confused view of history, really. Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, and consolidated power over the next year. At this point there was a lot of criticism of the regime, both internal and external. Things got rapidly worse after, of course, but there certainly was a period where the Nazis were in power but that there was public criticism. Even as late as 1938, there was significant public discontent RE Kristallnacht in particular.
    - joe_mamba 9mo ago
      >but that there was public criticism Every political party had public criticism before they could gain absolute power to silence that criticism.
      - saubeidl 9mo ago
        Exactly. You're disproving your own argument now.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
        How so? When I said "every political party" meaning including the ones under the liberal democratic umbrella.
        saubeidl 9mo ago
        Yes, but also the ones on the way to authoritarianism, as was argued the Trump regime is. Thus, currently allowing some criticism is not enough to disprove the alleged march towards fascism. People with that viewpoint would argue that it's only allowed because power isn't consolidated enough yet.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
        >Yes, but also the ones on the way to authoritarianism, as was argued the Trump regime is. Democrats/leftists/ANTIFA don't hate authoritarianism, They hate that they're not the ones in charge of dealing the authoritarianism on their opposition, as shown by the masked mob gestapo they set up in Minnesota doing "papers please, you're either with us or against us" on civilians passing by to confirm they hate ICE. If Kamala-Walz would have won the election, they would have done the same to Trump and friends in republican states, and you would have called it "justice for Nazis", not fascism ,which is the justification ANTIFA use when they beat up innocent people.
  - chimprich 9mo ago
    > Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. It looks like you have paramilitaries roaming your streets - not wearing ID or proper uniforms, covering their faces to avoid identification, not answering to usual democratic controls - executing protestors. In the latest incident, they seemed to be beating and spraying a woman with a chemical agent for filming them, and then executing a bystander who tried to help her. The regime then tried to deny reality and falsely claim that they'd attacked said paramilitary operatives. In any Western democracy (and I'm not sure if the US is currently part of that category) there would be a public investigation, but they seem to have been squirrelled away and the politicians who have spoken out about it have been threatened. This all seems to be fascistic by any reasonable standard.
    - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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      - chimprich 9mo ago
        > Really? That's why they have vests that say "POLICE FEDERAL AGENT" front and back ? The paramilitaries that executed Pretti are all wearing street clothing, and all wearing different clothing. They look like a mob. > Dangerous people that could identify their faces and kill their families in retaliation. Well that's convenient, because it also allows them to kill protestors or their families without any consequence. > Why are the protesters assaulting them covering their faces Pretti didn't assault them, and wasn't covering his face. He got executed anyway.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
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        chimprich 9mo ago
        > On top of which they have matching ICE issued vest with inscriptions. It's a fascist theme to have paramilitaries not wearing uniforms. See for example the mukhabarat in Syria. It makes them more intimidating, because they look undisciplined, and adds confusion to protestors as to whether they are dealing with someone who is part of the legal system. Why on earth would they not be issued with uniforms? > Yes, accidents like this will happen when you shove law enforcement officers with a gun on you. Pretti did not shove any "law enforcement officers". The first physical contact is a shove on Pretti by one of them. BBC did a frame by frame analysis: the first shove happens at approx 1:00 in this video. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057wmt/bbc-verify-analyses-the-minneapolis-shooting-frame-by-frame https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057wmt/bbc-verify-an... If you disagree, please provide a source. The first time they seem to be aware that he has a firearm is when they disarm him, and the execution happens after that, so I don't see how that is relevant.
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Maybe no-one is interested in celebrities virtual signalling any more?

by gadders 9mo ago

Maybe no-one is interested in celebrities virtual signalling any more?

Finneas (Billie Eilish's brother) isn't one for virtue signaling from what I've seen over the years from his posts. He keeps it very real and down to earth as far as celebrities go.

callamdelaney 9mo ago
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- SideburnsOfDoom 9mo ago
  When the person's Wikipedia page says that they "have won 10 Grammy Awards" then yes, I think it's fair to say that they are a public figure. I mean, both are signals of celebrity - the presence of a Wikipedia page, and the awards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finneas_O%27Connell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finneas_O%27Connell

gambiting 9mo ago

Since when is speaking out against fascism virtue signalling? Like, how bad does it have to get before it's just speaking out against the attrocities happening around us and not virtue signalling? Or are celebrities just flat out not allowed to do it?

joe_mamba 9mo ago
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- callamdelaney 9mo ago
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- ErroneousBosh 9mo ago
  You have government-backed thugs with guns running around murdering people who take photos of them. You have something that looks worryingly like the Ceaușescu's Securitate "disappearing" citizens - including a little 5-year-old boy - off the streets. Justify that. Justify kidnapping a terrified little boy who should be at school with his friends, and locking him up in prison. Go on, justify those actions. Let's see if you can.
  - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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    - gambiting 9mo ago
      I mean, there is a victim of false propaganda here, but I think that's you, especially given your other comments. "Stenvik said another adult living in the home was outside during the encounter and had pleaded to take care of Liam so the boy could avoid detention, but was denied. Liam’s older brother, a middle schooler, came home 20 minutes later to find his father and brother missing, Stenvik said. Two school principals from the district also arrived at the home to offer support." " An agent had taken Liam out of the car, led the boy to his front door and directed him to knock on the door asking to be let in, “in order to see if anyone else was home – essentially using a five-year-old as bait”, the superintendent said in a statement." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-... Again, how do you look yourself in the mirror every morning?
    - ErroneousBosh 9mo ago
      Thing is, his dad is not a criminal and did not run off, but was chased away by armed thugs, and his mum did not refuse to take him but was prevented from taking him by armed thugs. You have armed thugs abducting and murdering people on the streets of American cities.
  - gadders 9mo ago
    ICE looked after the 5 year old boy after his father ran off and left him.
- saubeidl 9mo ago
  Like Alex Pretti?
  - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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    - saubeidl 9mo ago
      Shooting somebody that is already constrained is an execution, not an accident. It's what fascist regimes do to anyone they deem noncompliant.
      - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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        saubeidl 9mo ago
        Nobody assaulted anyone. Shooting somebody that is already on the ground in the back of their head is not self defence. ICE is not law enforcement. Impressively, you managed to misrepresent a fact with every single word in your sentence.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
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    - saagarjha 9mo ago
      Maybe we shouldn’t have a system where these happen.
      - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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- curt15 9mo ago
  Fascism takes hold in stages; Nazi Germany didn't go from 0 to 100 in one day. You have to nip it in the bud before it grows up. Right now, ICE goes out of their way to beat and arrest protestors and steal their cameras. They're not yet mowing them down but by that time it would be a little late to do something about their conduct. Remember that the current US president admires how the CCP crushed the student protestors in Tiananmen square with tanks and guns.
  - joe_mamba 9mo ago
    >You have to nip it in the bud before it grows up. Sure, but if you use fascist tactics to fight fascism, are you not a fascist yourself? And people conveniently focus only on the symptoms(rise of fascism) but not on the main cause that leads to it. Like Hitler didn't just randomly get to power one day out of nowhere because the average German citizen was living such a good life. He was just one of the symptoms to a major problem that the Weimar republic didn't address and instead used fascist tactics to get rid of Hitler before he could gain power, and then guess what happened. Similarly, Trump is also only but a symptom to a larger issue. Using fascist tactics to get him out of power, only makes the counter response greeter, and not make the core problem go away.
    - WickyNilliams 9mo ago
      What fascist tactics did they use to get rid of Hitler? If you're referring to his time in prison, he was put there because he staged a putsch. Beyond that, much of the establishment and industry tried to work with him using a softly, softly approach. They thought they could steer him, temper him, leverage his popularity for their own ends. Of course, that didn't work out for them
      - joe_mamba 9mo ago
        >What fascist tactics did they use to get rid of Hitler? November 1921 (Munich): During a speech at an NSDAP rally in a beer hall, an unknown assailant fired shots at Hitler from the crowd amid a melee, but he escaped unharmed. 1923 (Thuringia): An unidentified person attempted to shoot Hitler during a rally, but Nazi supporters outnumbered opponents, forcing the attacker to flee. 1923 (Memmingen): Another unknown individual tried to assassinate Hitler with a rifle but retreated when confronted by his followers. July 15, 1932 (Munich): An assailant fired shots at Hitler and SA leader Ernst Röhm while they dined at Cafe Heck, but both were unhurt. 1932 (Nuremberg): A bomb was planted in the lobby of Hitler's hotel, but it was discovered and removed before detonation. 1932 (Berlin and Munich): Two additional attempts occurred, one involving potential poisoning at the Hotel Kaiserhof in Berlin (where Hitler and staff fell ill after a meal, suspected to be deliberate contamination), though details are limited and perpetrators unidentified.
- rsynnott 9mo ago
  > Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. This is... a pretty confused view of history, really. Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, and consolidated power over the next year. At this point there was a lot of criticism of the regime, both internal and external. Things got rapidly worse after, of course, but there certainly was a period where the Nazis were in power but that there was public criticism. Even as late as 1938, there was significant public discontent RE Kristallnacht in particular.
  - joe_mamba 9mo ago
    >but that there was public criticism Every political party had public criticism before they could gain absolute power to silence that criticism.
    - saubeidl 9mo ago
      Exactly. You're disproving your own argument now.
      - joe_mamba 9mo ago
        How so? When I said "every political party" meaning including the ones under the liberal democratic umbrella.
        saubeidl 9mo ago
        Yes, but also the ones on the way to authoritarianism, as was argued the Trump regime is. Thus, currently allowing some criticism is not enough to disprove the alleged march towards fascism. People with that viewpoint would argue that it's only allowed because power isn't consolidated enough yet.
        joe_mamba 9mo ago
        >Yes, but also the ones on the way to authoritarianism, as was argued the Trump regime is. Democrats/leftists/ANTIFA don't hate authoritarianism, They hate that they're not the ones in charge of dealing the authoritarianism on their opposition, as shown by the masked mob gestapo they set up in Minnesota doing "papers please, you're either with us or against us" on civilians passing by to confirm they hate ICE. If Kamala-Walz would have won the election, they would have done the same to Trump and friends in republican states, and you would have called it "justice for Nazis", not fascism ,which is the justification ANTIFA use when they beat up innocent people.
- chimprich 9mo ago
  > Because if it were actual fascism, like the Hitler/Mussolini kind, you'd be arrest/dead the moment you spoke anything against it. It looks like you have paramilitaries roaming your streets - not wearing ID or proper uniforms, covering their faces to avoid identification, not answering to usual democratic controls - executing protestors. In the latest incident, they seemed to be beating and spraying a woman with a chemical agent for filming them, and then executing a bystander who tried to help her. The regime then tried to deny reality and falsely claim that they'd attacked said paramilitary operatives. In any Western democracy (and I'm not sure if the US is currently part of that category) there would be a public investigation, but they seem to have been squirrelled away and the politicians who have spoken out about it have been threatened. This all seems to be fascistic by any reasonable standard.
  - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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    - chimprich 9mo ago
      > Really? That's why they have vests that say "POLICE FEDERAL AGENT" front and back ? The paramilitaries that executed Pretti are all wearing street clothing, and all wearing different clothing. They look like a mob. > Dangerous people that could identify their faces and kill their families in retaliation. Well that's convenient, because it also allows them to kill protestors or their families without any consequence. > Why are the protesters assaulting them covering their faces Pretti didn't assault them, and wasn't covering his face. He got executed anyway.
      - joe_mamba 9mo ago
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        chimprich 9mo ago
        > On top of which they have matching ICE issued vest with inscriptions. It's a fascist theme to have paramilitaries not wearing uniforms. See for example the mukhabarat in Syria. It makes them more intimidating, because they look undisciplined, and adds confusion to protestors as to whether they are dealing with someone who is part of the legal system. Why on earth would they not be issued with uniforms? > Yes, accidents like this will happen when you shove law enforcement officers with a gun on you. Pretti did not shove any "law enforcement officers". The first physical contact is a shove on Pretti by one of them. BBC did a frame by frame analysis: the first shove happens at approx 1:00 in this video. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057wmt/bbc-verify-analyses-the-minneapolis-shooting-frame-by-frame https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0057wmt/bbc-verify-an... If you disagree, please provide a source. The first time they seem to be aware that he has a firearm is when they disarm him, and the execution happens after that, so I don't see how that is relevant.
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