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I have a rock that keeps tigers away. For 30 years I have not encountered any tigers. That’s a pretty good record.

by hosteur 9mo ago

bruce511 9mo ago
To answer the parent question, no not even close. TSA direct costs, passenger time wasted, flights missed, items confiscated. All so no bombs on planes. But somehow also no bombs at sports events or music concerts, or on trains or subways, or courthouses or.... So the TSA is either stunningly successful or a complete waste. I'd argue a complete waste, but hey, everyone in a TSA uniform drawing a paycheck us entitled to a different opinion.
- closewith 9mo ago
  > But somehow also no bombs at sports events or music concerts, or on trains or subways, or courthouses or.... Boston marathon? The Madrid train bombings? 7/7? Ariana Grande? Airport security has been stunningly successful.
  - Fervicus 9mo ago
    But we don't have intense security checks at concerts, trains, or at marathon events as a result, do we?
    - lagniappe 9mo ago
      I don't know where you live, but where I live, we do.
      - Fervicus 9mo ago
        I've traveled all over Europe and North America and have taken a lot of trains. Not once did I have to remove my shoe, scan my baggage, or had any kind of liquid restrictions.
        lagniappe 9mo ago
        You're very fortunate, you'll have to teach us your ways some day
        matwood 9mo ago
        Concerts and things like sporting events in the US typically require any bags to be clear and only be of a certain size. They may also be checked. No outside liquids are typically allowed (mainly to avoid alcohol). Usually people are at least wanded to prevent weapons, but sometimes metal detectors are setup.
        fernandotakai 9mo ago
        i've been to a bunch of concerts here in the netherlands and they do the most basic checks. last time, they checked my wife's purse without a torch (so she could've hidden anything inside) and didn't check anything on me so i got in with two 1g edibles.
        direwolf20 9mo ago
        I think marijuana is legal in the Netherlands
        vidarh 9mo ago
        There are even restaurants in London you can't get to without going through a scanner. E.g. half the restaurants at The Shard. But to give an idea of how idiotic it is: Those are on the 32nd and 33rd floor. Next door is the Shangri La hotel of The Shard, where you can walk straight in and take the lift to the 31st (no scanners), and change to a lift for the 52nd floor (no scanners).
        direwolf20 9mo ago
        Wouldn't a terrorist want to bomb a building on the ground floor, anyway, so that all of it would fall down?
    - direwolf20 9mo ago
      This proves that intense security checks prevent bombs.
- reeredfdfdf 9mo ago
  It's just not bombs that are a danger. You really don't want anyone to set the airplane on fire either, or start shooting people or holes into the fuselage. AFAIK America has had plenty of shootings, and probably arson attacks too over that time period.
  - bawolff 9mo ago
    Other then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Northern_Airlines_Flight_6136 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Northern_Airlines_Flight... how often has anyone ever set fire to a plane (not counting bombs that caused fires). Is there even a single other example. I agree on guns, but you can probably deal with that with much lower intensity security.
    - reeredfdfdf 9mo ago
      A year ago Air Busan Flight 391 burned completely after a single passenger power bank caught fire on the overhead compartment, and crew couldn't extinguish it. If that had happened on a plane that was in middle of an ocean for example, it would have been almost certainly a total loss with everyone dead, or at least ditching into the sea. You're right that fortunately there aren't many cases of people causing fires inside airliners on purpose. But that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. When a single power bank can cause catastrophic results like this, I'm glad there's at least some monitoring of what people carry into the airplane in their bags.
      - bruce511 9mo ago
        You claim comfort from monitoring, and yet the easiest source of fire on a plane is z lithium battery. Which are expressly allowed. In other words the TSA specifically does not seek yo prevent fires. The reason we don't have people setting fires on planes is because people don't want to do that. And if they did the TSA would be specifically useless in preventing it.
Havoc 9mo ago
You should market the rock with a track record like that

I have a rock that keeps tigers away. For 30 years I have not encountered any tigers. That’s a pretty good record.

by hosteur 9mo ago

I have a rock that keeps tigers away. For 30 years I have not encountered any tigers. That’s a pretty good record.

To answer the parent question, no not even close. TSA direct costs, passenger time wasted, flights missed, items confiscated. All so no bombs on planes. But somehow also no bombs at sports events or music concerts, or on trains or subways, or courthouses or.... So the TSA is either stunningly successful or a complete waste. I'd argue a complete waste, but hey, everyone in a TSA uniform drawing a paycheck us entitled to a different opinion.

closewith 9mo ago
> But somehow also no bombs at sports events or music concerts, or on trains or subways, or courthouses or.... Boston marathon? The Madrid train bombings? 7/7? Ariana Grande? Airport security has been stunningly successful.
- Fervicus 9mo ago
  But we don't have intense security checks at concerts, trains, or at marathon events as a result, do we?
  - lagniappe 9mo ago
    I don't know where you live, but where I live, we do.
    - Fervicus 9mo ago
      I've traveled all over Europe and North America and have taken a lot of trains. Not once did I have to remove my shoe, scan my baggage, or had any kind of liquid restrictions.
      - lagniappe 9mo ago
        You're very fortunate, you'll have to teach us your ways some day
      - matwood 9mo ago
        Concerts and things like sporting events in the US typically require any bags to be clear and only be of a certain size. They may also be checked. No outside liquids are typically allowed (mainly to avoid alcohol). Usually people are at least wanded to prevent weapons, but sometimes metal detectors are setup.
        fernandotakai 9mo ago
        i've been to a bunch of concerts here in the netherlands and they do the most basic checks. last time, they checked my wife's purse without a torch (so she could've hidden anything inside) and didn't check anything on me so i got in with two 1g edibles.
        direwolf20 9mo ago
        I think marijuana is legal in the Netherlands
      - vidarh 9mo ago
        There are even restaurants in London you can't get to without going through a scanner. E.g. half the restaurants at The Shard. But to give an idea of how idiotic it is: Those are on the 32nd and 33rd floor. Next door is the Shangri La hotel of The Shard, where you can walk straight in and take the lift to the 31st (no scanners), and change to a lift for the 52nd floor (no scanners).
        direwolf20 9mo ago
        Wouldn't a terrorist want to bomb a building on the ground floor, anyway, so that all of it would fall down?
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    This proves that intense security checks prevent bombs.
reeredfdfdf 9mo ago
It's just not bombs that are a danger. You really don't want anyone to set the airplane on fire either, or start shooting people or holes into the fuselage. AFAIK America has had plenty of shootings, and probably arson attacks too over that time period.
- bawolff 9mo ago
  Other then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Northern_Airlines_Flight_6136 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Northern_Airlines_Flight... how often has anyone ever set fire to a plane (not counting bombs that caused fires). Is there even a single other example. I agree on guns, but you can probably deal with that with much lower intensity security.
  - reeredfdfdf 9mo ago
    A year ago Air Busan Flight 391 burned completely after a single passenger power bank caught fire on the overhead compartment, and crew couldn't extinguish it. If that had happened on a plane that was in middle of an ocean for example, it would have been almost certainly a total loss with everyone dead, or at least ditching into the sea. You're right that fortunately there aren't many cases of people causing fires inside airliners on purpose. But that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. When a single power bank can cause catastrophic results like this, I'm glad there's at least some monitoring of what people carry into the airplane in their bags.
    - bruce511 9mo ago
      You claim comfort from monitoring, and yet the easiest source of fire on a plane is z lithium battery. Which are expressly allowed. In other words the TSA specifically does not seek yo prevent fires. The reason we don't have people setting fires on planes is because people don't want to do that. And if they did the TSA would be specifically useless in preventing it.

Havoc 9mo ago

You should market the rock with a track record like that