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>2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market I was making hardware at one poi

>2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market I was making hardware at one point, and it took less than a day to decide that Europe was not getting our product. The regulations were insane. I imagine software is significantly easier, but there is a mountain of difference when it comes to electrical and plumbing.

lm28469 9mo ago
Regulations are le bad. - signed someone from a country where ~10m people still drink water from lead pipes (the USA)
- codyb 9mo ago
  Regulations are neutral. They can be positive, or negative. And should be pruned occasionally probably. And yea, we have lots of old lead pipes here in certain places. But let's not pretend we can't find fault with the immigrant ghettos in Europe or myriad other issues y'all have over there. There's problems everywhere there's sufficient numbers and complexity.
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- rangestransform 9mo ago
  Lead pipes in Chicago were due to union regulatory capture and not lack of regulations
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- mgh95 9mo ago
  And in France alone 7.5 million home have lead pipes [1]. [1] https://www.zerowaterfilter.com/blogs/zerowater-knowledge-center/lead-in-tap-water https://www.zerowaterfilter.com/blogs/zerowater-knowledge-ce...
surgical_fire 9mo ago
> I was making hardware at one point, and it took less than a day to decide that Europe was not getting our product. If you are unwilling to follow regulations to sell your hardware here, then it tells me the regulations are already doing its job properly.
- PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
  The issue was the sheer number of various regulations/standards/(taxes?) changing by country. It was good enough for the US.
  - surgical_fire 9mo ago
    > It was good enough for the US A lot of things good enough for the US are not considered suitable or safe here. Correctly so, I might add. If your government is not concerned with public safety, why should the EU adopt the same stance?
    - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
      Well I am unaware of any deaths or injury from dishwashers in the United States, so it seems those regulations are fine. Hope you don't accidentally fall off a historical ledge that can't get a handrail.
      - surgical_fire 9mo ago
        Probably there are plenty of regulations related to safety and suitability regarding electricity, water, washing residue on dishes, etc. Without being more specific, the only thing I can presume is that you were unwilling to follow regulations here. I furnished and equipped my home a couple of years ago, and I had plenty of options for dishwashers, from multiple brands. Many different models at varied price points. This tells me that serious companies have little problems to follow regulations to compete here. This all really sounds like a "you" problem.
petre 9mo ago
We are still making hardware and feel the same way about the US market. The litigation is insane. Meanwhile the Chinese don't give a damn about any of those.

lm28469 9mo ago

Regulations are le bad. - signed someone from a country where ~10m people still drink water from lead pipes (the USA)

codyb 9mo ago
Regulations are neutral. They can be positive, or negative. And should be pruned occasionally probably. And yea, we have lots of old lead pipes here in certain places. But let's not pretend we can't find fault with the immigrant ghettos in Europe or myriad other issues y'all have over there. There's problems everywhere there's sufficient numbers and complexity.
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rangestransform 9mo ago
Lead pipes in Chicago were due to union regulatory capture and not lack of regulations
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mgh95 9mo ago
And in France alone 7.5 million home have lead pipes [1]. [1] https://www.zerowaterfilter.com/blogs/zerowater-knowledge-center/lead-in-tap-water https://www.zerowaterfilter.com/blogs/zerowater-knowledge-ce...

surgical_fire 9mo ago

> I was making hardware at one point, and it took less than a day to decide that Europe was not getting our product. If you are unwilling to follow regulations to sell your hardware here, then it tells me the regulations are already doing its job properly.

PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
The issue was the sheer number of various regulations/standards/(taxes?) changing by country. It was good enough for the US.
- surgical_fire 9mo ago
  > It was good enough for the US A lot of things good enough for the US are not considered suitable or safe here. Correctly so, I might add. If your government is not concerned with public safety, why should the EU adopt the same stance?
  - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
    Well I am unaware of any deaths or injury from dishwashers in the United States, so it seems those regulations are fine. Hope you don't accidentally fall off a historical ledge that can't get a handrail.
    - surgical_fire 9mo ago
      Probably there are plenty of regulations related to safety and suitability regarding electricity, water, washing residue on dishes, etc. Without being more specific, the only thing I can presume is that you were unwilling to follow regulations here. I furnished and equipped my home a couple of years ago, and I had plenty of options for dishwashers, from multiple brands. Many different models at varied price points. This tells me that serious companies have little problems to follow regulations to compete here. This all really sounds like a "you" problem.

petre 9mo ago

We are still making hardware and feel the same way about the US market. The litigation is insane. Meanwhile the Chinese don't give a damn about any of those.