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here's an example of how model censorship affects coding tasks: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/72603 https://github.com/orgs/community/discussi

here's an example of how model censorship affects coding tasks: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/72603 https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/72603

denysvitali 9mo ago
Oh, lol. This though seems to be something that would affect only US models... ironically
- mcintyre1994 9mo ago
  Not sure if it’s still current, but there’s a comment saying it’s just a US location thing which is quite funny. https://github.com/community/community/discussions/72603#discussioncomment-12032000 https://github.com/community/community/discussions/72603#dis...
- nonethewiser 9mo ago
  This is called ^ deflection. Upon seeing evidence that censorship negatively impacts models, you attack something else. All in a way that shows a clear "US bad, China good" perspective.
  - krsw 9mo ago
    This is called ^ deflection. Upon seeing evidence that censorship negatively impacts perception of the US, you attack something else. All in a way that shows a clear "China bad, US good" perspective.
    - nonethewiser 9mo ago
      >All in a way that shows a clear "China bad, US good" perspective Nope. My comment was neutral on the US - I emphasized the detriment of censorship on models which is true insofar as the US censors models. Whereas the other comment moves the goalposts from "i dont necessarily see the problem with censorship on models" when presented evidence to the contrary by attacking the US. It was never about US vs. China (to anyone else). That's the deflection.
moffkalast 9mo ago
These gender reveal parties are getting ridicolous.
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volkercraig 9mo ago
You conversely get the same issue if you have no guardrails. Ie: Grok generating CP makes it completely unusable in a professional setting. I don't think this is a solvable problem.
- rvnx 9mo ago
  Curious why you use abbreviations ? "CP", "MAP", etc just for such.
  - volkercraig 9mo ago
    I'm lazy
    - rvnx 9mo ago
      ok fair enough
- cortesoft 9mo ago
  Why does it having the ability to do something has mean it is ‘unusable’ in a professional setting? Is it generating CP when given benign prompts? Or is it misinterpreting normal prompts and generating CP? There are a LOT of tools that we use at work that could be used to do horrible things. A knife in a kitchen could be used to kill someone. The camera on our laptop could be used to take pictures of CP. You can write death threats with your Gmail account. We don’t say knives are unusable in a professional setting because they have the capability to be used in crime. Why does AI having the ability to do something bad mean we can’t use it at all in a professional setting?
  - volkercraig 9mo ago
    Because corporate aint gonna approve the vendor that lets their dumbass employees generate child porn when the other vendors do not.
    - cortesoft 9mo ago
PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
I can't believe I'm using Grok... but I'm using Grok... Why? I have a female sales person, and I noticed they get a different response from (female) receptionists than my male sales people. I asked chatGPT about this, and it outright refused to believe me. It said I was imagining this and implied I was sexist or something. I ended up asking Grok, and it mentioned the phenomena and some solutions. It was genuinely helpful. Further, I brought this up with some of my contract advisors, and one of my female advisors mentioned the phenomena before I gave a hypothesis. 'Girls are just like this.' Now I use Grok... I can't believe I'm saying that. I just want right answers.

here's an example of how model censorship affects coding tasks: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/72603 https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/72603

denysvitali 9mo ago

Oh, lol. This though seems to be something that would affect only US models... ironically

mcintyre1994 9mo ago
Not sure if it’s still current, but there’s a comment saying it’s just a US location thing which is quite funny. https://github.com/community/community/discussions/72603#discussioncomment-12032000 https://github.com/community/community/discussions/72603#dis...
nonethewiser 9mo ago
This is called ^ deflection. Upon seeing evidence that censorship negatively impacts models, you attack something else. All in a way that shows a clear "US bad, China good" perspective.
- krsw 9mo ago
  This is called ^ deflection. Upon seeing evidence that censorship negatively impacts perception of the US, you attack something else. All in a way that shows a clear "China bad, US good" perspective.
  - nonethewiser 9mo ago
    >All in a way that shows a clear "China bad, US good" perspective Nope. My comment was neutral on the US - I emphasized the detriment of censorship on models which is true insofar as the US censors models. Whereas the other comment moves the goalposts from "i dont necessarily see the problem with censorship on models" when presented evidence to the contrary by attacking the US. It was never about US vs. China (to anyone else). That's the deflection.

moffkalast 9mo ago

These gender reveal parties are getting ridicolous.

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volkercraig 9mo ago

You conversely get the same issue if you have no guardrails. Ie: Grok generating CP makes it completely unusable in a professional setting. I don't think this is a solvable problem.

rvnx 9mo ago
Curious why you use abbreviations ? "CP", "MAP", etc just for such.
- volkercraig 9mo ago
  I'm lazy
  - rvnx 9mo ago
    ok fair enough
cortesoft 9mo ago
Why does it having the ability to do something has mean it is ‘unusable’ in a professional setting? Is it generating CP when given benign prompts? Or is it misinterpreting normal prompts and generating CP? There are a LOT of tools that we use at work that could be used to do horrible things. A knife in a kitchen could be used to kill someone. The camera on our laptop could be used to take pictures of CP. You can write death threats with your Gmail account. We don’t say knives are unusable in a professional setting because they have the capability to be used in crime. Why does AI having the ability to do something bad mean we can’t use it at all in a professional setting?
- volkercraig 9mo ago
  Because corporate aint gonna approve the vendor that lets their dumbass employees generate child porn when the other vendors do not.
  - cortesoft 9mo ago

PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago

I can't believe I'm using Grok... but I'm using Grok... Why? I have a female sales person, and I noticed they get a different response from (female) receptionists than my male sales people. I asked chatGPT about this, and it outright refused to believe me. It said I was imagining this and implied I was sexist or something. I ended up asking Grok, and it mentioned the phenomena and some solutions. It was genuinely helpful. Further, I brought this up with some of my contract advisors, and one of my female advisors mentioned the phenomena before I gave a hypothesis. 'Girls are just like this.' Now I use Grok... I can't believe I'm saying that. I just want right answers.