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Have they though? Everybody I know who grew up in China has told me its trivial to bypass restrictions with VPNs

by culi 9mo ago

p0w3n3d 9mo ago
The question is what do you win when found using VPN?
- bspammer 9mo ago
  There is pretty much no risk. It’s expected you will use a VPN, you can talk about it openly in public. Now, if you’re doing something unrelated that the administration doesn’t like, you can expect VPN use to be included in the long list of charges.
- feverzsj 9mo ago
  You phone and computer will be checked thoroughly using automated tools. If they didn't find any sensitive keyword, you'll be fined and recorded in the system. If they find something, a detention for at least 3 days or ... forever. That's the standard procedure. But polices in developed areas usually treat them like antragsdelikte(no trial without a complaint).
QianXuesen 9mo ago
It’s a deliberate “pressure valve.” China tolerates access for productivity but retains a kill switch for sensitive periods: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-china-tames-dissent-on-the-internet/2017/07/18/43d29b1a-6bf3-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-...
HDThoreaun 9mo ago
"bypass restrictions" meaning put on a list of people to closely watch.
junofan 9mo ago
Depending on where you are, “everybody I know who grew up in China” may not be an unbiased sample w.r.t. ideology, forthcomingness, or truth-telling.
IshKebab 9mo ago
Apparently they use traffic analysis now so it's difficult to bypass even with VPNs.
g947o 9mo ago
I suggest you take a look at the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall
blahgeek 9mo ago
I guess by "Everybody I know who grew up in China" you mean those elites who speaks English and have already bypassed restrictions to talk to you online or travels to other countries. There's some selection bias here.
RandyOrion 9mo ago
NO. They can do unconditional blocking at any moment and suddenly you can experience Internet blackout. [1] The censorship from GFW is ever evolving. See the endless cat-and-mouse games yourself. [2][3] [1] https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/511 https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/511 [2] https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+state%3Aopen+label%3AChina https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+state%... [3] https://gfw.report/en/ https://gfw.report/en/

Have they though? Everybody I know who grew up in China has told me its trivial to bypass restrictions with VPNs

by culi 9mo ago

Have they though? Everybody I know who grew up in China has told me its trivial to bypass restrictions with VPNs

p0w3n3d 9mo ago

The question is what do you win when found using VPN?

bspammer 9mo ago
There is pretty much no risk. It’s expected you will use a VPN, you can talk about it openly in public. Now, if you’re doing something unrelated that the administration doesn’t like, you can expect VPN use to be included in the long list of charges.
feverzsj 9mo ago
You phone and computer will be checked thoroughly using automated tools. If they didn't find any sensitive keyword, you'll be fined and recorded in the system. If they find something, a detention for at least 3 days or ... forever. That's the standard procedure. But polices in developed areas usually treat them like antragsdelikte(no trial without a complaint).

QianXuesen 9mo ago

It’s a deliberate “pressure valve.” China tolerates access for productivity but retains a kill switch for sensitive periods: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-china-tames-dissent-on-the-internet/2017/07/18/43d29b1a-6bf3-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/how-...

HDThoreaun 9mo ago

"bypass restrictions" meaning put on a list of people to closely watch.

junofan 9mo ago

Depending on where you are, “everybody I know who grew up in China” may not be an unbiased sample w.r.t. ideology, forthcomingness, or truth-telling.

IshKebab 9mo ago

Apparently they use traffic analysis now so it's difficult to bypass even with VPNs.

g947o 9mo ago

I suggest you take a look at the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall

blahgeek 9mo ago

I guess by "Everybody I know who grew up in China" you mean those elites who speaks English and have already bypassed restrictions to talk to you online or travels to other countries. There's some selection bias here.

RandyOrion 9mo ago

NO. They can do unconditional blocking at any moment and suddenly you can experience Internet blackout. [1] The censorship from GFW is ever evolving. See the endless cat-and-mouse games yourself. [2][3] [1] https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/511 https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/511 [2] https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+state%3Aopen+label%3AChina https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+state%... [3] https://gfw.report/en/ https://gfw.report/en/