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they are arresting and deporting people in Texas I'm under the assumption that they can perform more than one task at a time. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases

by jayGlow 8mo ago

they are arresting and deporting people in Texas I'm under the assumption that they can perform more than one task at a time. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-houston-arrests-more-3500-criminal-illegal-aliens-child-predators-and-murderers https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-houston-arrests-more-3...

tombert 8mo ago
Yeah, true, they're just murdering civilians in the blue states.
- pandaman 8mo ago
  Can't talk for all Red states, but in Austin, TX the city police is arresting even people who try to interfere with traffic, even more so people who interfere with federal agents so there is a little chance someone reads reddit, figures there is nothing going to happen if he or she lays hands on a fed and get lit. Now, I've seen quite a few of videos from Minneapolis and there were literally 0 MPD officers in any of those. I wonder where is the police in the blue states, definitely not on the streets where riots are going on.
  - tombert 8mo ago
    Oh, well if you saw like four videos on YouTube or TikTok I guess that's sufficient evidence for me.
    - pandaman 8mo ago
      Please go ahead and present your evidence, show where is the police interacting with the "protesters" in Minneapolis.
      - tombert 8mo ago
        I don't have a Tiktok account so I don't really have a means to search that, and it's tough to find stuff on YouTube because the recent murder is (understandably) hogging the headlines and the top searches, and I cannot be bothered doing more than a cursory search considering I don't really think you're arguing in good faith anyway. Regardless, I don't really think this is the slam dunk that you seem to think it is. You "not seeing MPD interact with protestors" is hardly strong evidence of anything. But let's pretend you're right, MPD is completely absent, it doesn't forgive anything ICE has done, actually. It is disingenuous to act like it does.
        pandaman 8mo ago
        So you yourself have not seen MPD yet first accused me of only seeing four videos and then accuse me of arguing in bad faith (I don't even know what that would mean in this context, you believe I've seen MPD in the four videos I have seen but lie about it?). Good talk.
        tombert 8mo ago
        I pulled the number "four" out of my ass, sorry if that wasn't clear. I was trying to say that if you saw some videos that don't have MPD then that's hardly very compelling evidence of anything. The "bad faith" part is that it's really not relevant. I made a comment about ICE murdering civilians and you diverted to some tangent about MPD that doesn't actually detract from my original point. Because it's not relevant, I don't think it was brought up in good faith.
      - jmye 8mo ago
        "I've proposed a hypothetical situation based off evidence I won't provide and now I'm going to demand sources refuting it because you said 4 TikTok videos is basically subjective bullshit" is just... not how honest discussion works. Come on.
        pandaman 8mo ago
        What do you expect, me presenting the videos with no police in Minneapolis? These are pretty popular on this site. I can show you some from APD dealing with rioters: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pHpFAAzWhTY https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pHpFAAzWhTY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enpt8TewBwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enpt8TewBwU https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0yUAZRnPURs https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0yUAZRnPURs
        jmye 8mo ago
        No, I was expecting you to engage with some degree of intellectual honesty in the first place. The complaint was clearly and unequivocally not that you didn't present "evidence".
  - cthalupa 8mo ago
    I feel like calling protests that are overwhelmingly peaceful riots tells me everything I need to know about the chances of this conversation being productive. Framing the language in a way that intrinsically devalues the fundamental first amendment right to assembly and speech puts all of this into a very obviously biased conversation. Some of the George Floyd protests devolved into riots. That is not what is happening in MN, or TX, or anywhere. Police or federal officers using riot dispersal techniques against a protest does not suddenly make the protest a riot. ICE and CBP do not have the remit to behave like they are doing in these situations either - they do not have the same powers as local law enforcement. Yet we see them issuing unlawful commands - like telling Good to get out of her vehicle. They explicitly are not allowed to force a US citizen out of their car. Pretti was shot after the weapon he had never brandished or gone for was removed from his person while he has a multitude of CBP agents dogpiling him. (We could also talk how that shot was insanely dangerous and stupid for the CBP officer to begin with, even if there had been a threat - he very easily could have shot his fellow officers.) It doesn't matter if MPD is there. If they're absent, this doesn't suddenly give ICE and CBP the authority to police in a way that they are explicitly not allowed to do. This doesn't give them the right to shoot people when they are not actually in danger. Fundamentally, I do not understand why you think anything in your comment is a rebuttal to the point being made. I don't understand why you think it is even relevant to the discussion at all.
    - pandaman 8mo ago
      >Police or federal officers using riot dispersal techniques against a protest does not suddenly make the protest a riot. I agree. Assaulting police or federal officers, harassing citizens and blocking traffic does though, and the police acts on that, not just randomly gassing people because Trump. >ICE and CBP do not have the remit to behave like they are doing in these situations either - they do not have the same powers as local law enforcement. Yes, they have different powers yet they employ sworn officers and those can arrest people who they believe are committing crimes in front of them. >They explicitly are not allowed to force a US citizen out of their car. Need a source for that, it's news to me. >It doesn't matter if MPD is there. It does though. Even in LA the mayor was not as dumb as to order LAPD to stand down and as the result zero people got shot by feds during more massive riots than in Minneapolis. Local police is more lenient and less likely to use deadly force even when met with violence, you'd imagine if mayor had any compassion for his constituents he'd sent the police to deal with them rather than leave it to feds.
  - matwood 8mo ago
    > riots You going to tell us J6 was a peaceful tour group next?
tordrt 8mo ago
Of course they can perform more than one task at the time, the question is why have they started prioritizing Minnesota? Which dont have a lot of illegal immigrants. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/2000-federal-agents-sent-to-minneapolis-area-to-carry-out-largest-immigration-operation-ever-ice-says#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Trump,to%20allegations%20of%20fraud%20involving https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/2000-federal-agents-se...

by jayGlow 8mo ago

tombert 8mo ago

Yeah, true, they're just murdering civilians in the blue states.

pandaman 8mo ago
Can't talk for all Red states, but in Austin, TX the city police is arresting even people who try to interfere with traffic, even more so people who interfere with federal agents so there is a little chance someone reads reddit, figures there is nothing going to happen if he or she lays hands on a fed and get lit. Now, I've seen quite a few of videos from Minneapolis and there were literally 0 MPD officers in any of those. I wonder where is the police in the blue states, definitely not on the streets where riots are going on.
- tombert 8mo ago
  Oh, well if you saw like four videos on YouTube or TikTok I guess that's sufficient evidence for me.
  - pandaman 8mo ago
    Please go ahead and present your evidence, show where is the police interacting with the "protesters" in Minneapolis.
    - tombert 8mo ago
      I don't have a Tiktok account so I don't really have a means to search that, and it's tough to find stuff on YouTube because the recent murder is (understandably) hogging the headlines and the top searches, and I cannot be bothered doing more than a cursory search considering I don't really think you're arguing in good faith anyway. Regardless, I don't really think this is the slam dunk that you seem to think it is. You "not seeing MPD interact with protestors" is hardly strong evidence of anything. But let's pretend you're right, MPD is completely absent, it doesn't forgive anything ICE has done, actually. It is disingenuous to act like it does.
      - pandaman 8mo ago
        So you yourself have not seen MPD yet first accused me of only seeing four videos and then accuse me of arguing in bad faith (I don't even know what that would mean in this context, you believe I've seen MPD in the four videos I have seen but lie about it?). Good talk.
        tombert 8mo ago
        I pulled the number "four" out of my ass, sorry if that wasn't clear. I was trying to say that if you saw some videos that don't have MPD then that's hardly very compelling evidence of anything. The "bad faith" part is that it's really not relevant. I made a comment about ICE murdering civilians and you diverted to some tangent about MPD that doesn't actually detract from my original point. Because it's not relevant, I don't think it was brought up in good faith.
    - jmye 8mo ago
      "I've proposed a hypothetical situation based off evidence I won't provide and now I'm going to demand sources refuting it because you said 4 TikTok videos is basically subjective bullshit" is just... not how honest discussion works. Come on.
      - pandaman 8mo ago
        What do you expect, me presenting the videos with no police in Minneapolis? These are pretty popular on this site. I can show you some from APD dealing with rioters: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pHpFAAzWhTY https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pHpFAAzWhTY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enpt8TewBwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enpt8TewBwU https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0yUAZRnPURs https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0yUAZRnPURs
        jmye 8mo ago
        No, I was expecting you to engage with some degree of intellectual honesty in the first place. The complaint was clearly and unequivocally not that you didn't present "evidence".
- cthalupa 8mo ago
  I feel like calling protests that are overwhelmingly peaceful riots tells me everything I need to know about the chances of this conversation being productive. Framing the language in a way that intrinsically devalues the fundamental first amendment right to assembly and speech puts all of this into a very obviously biased conversation. Some of the George Floyd protests devolved into riots. That is not what is happening in MN, or TX, or anywhere. Police or federal officers using riot dispersal techniques against a protest does not suddenly make the protest a riot. ICE and CBP do not have the remit to behave like they are doing in these situations either - they do not have the same powers as local law enforcement. Yet we see them issuing unlawful commands - like telling Good to get out of her vehicle. They explicitly are not allowed to force a US citizen out of their car. Pretti was shot after the weapon he had never brandished or gone for was removed from his person while he has a multitude of CBP agents dogpiling him. (We could also talk how that shot was insanely dangerous and stupid for the CBP officer to begin with, even if there had been a threat - he very easily could have shot his fellow officers.) It doesn't matter if MPD is there. If they're absent, this doesn't suddenly give ICE and CBP the authority to police in a way that they are explicitly not allowed to do. This doesn't give them the right to shoot people when they are not actually in danger. Fundamentally, I do not understand why you think anything in your comment is a rebuttal to the point being made. I don't understand why you think it is even relevant to the discussion at all.
  - pandaman 8mo ago
    >Police or federal officers using riot dispersal techniques against a protest does not suddenly make the protest a riot. I agree. Assaulting police or federal officers, harassing citizens and blocking traffic does though, and the police acts on that, not just randomly gassing people because Trump. >ICE and CBP do not have the remit to behave like they are doing in these situations either - they do not have the same powers as local law enforcement. Yes, they have different powers yet they employ sworn officers and those can arrest people who they believe are committing crimes in front of them. >They explicitly are not allowed to force a US citizen out of their car. Need a source for that, it's news to me. >It doesn't matter if MPD is there. It does though. Even in LA the mayor was not as dumb as to order LAPD to stand down and as the result zero people got shot by feds during more massive riots than in Minneapolis. Local police is more lenient and less likely to use deadly force even when met with violence, you'd imagine if mayor had any compassion for his constituents he'd sent the police to deal with them rather than leave it to feds.
- matwood 8mo ago
  > riots You going to tell us J6 was a peaceful tour group next?

tordrt 8mo ago

Of course they can perform more than one task at the time, the question is why have they started prioritizing Minnesota? Which dont have a lot of illegal immigrants. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/2000-federal-agents-sent-to-minneapolis-area-to-carry-out-largest-immigration-operation-ever-ice-says#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Trump,to%20allegations%20of%20fraud%20involving https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/2000-federal-agents-se...