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Why? Deportation is a reasonable response when a person violates a country’s immigration laws. That is the standard around the world. Alternatively, you have a

Why? Deportation is a reasonable response when a person violates a country’s immigration laws. That is the standard around the world. Alternatively, you have an essentially open border, which obviously can lead to unmanageable waves of immigration that strain a country’s housing, healthcare, schools, welfare, and other resources, among other effects. Disruption to peoples’ lives happens when we have administrations who arbitrarily decide not to enforce the immigration law (e.g. the previous administration). It sends mixed signals to potential immigrants, and leads to the outcomes we have today when we decide to resume enforcing our laws.

sosomoxie 8mo ago
> obviously can lead to unmanageable waves of immigration that strain a country’s housing, healthcare, schools, welfare, and other resources, among other effects. I don't agree that this is "obvious". Immigrants bring important social and cultural capital. Who do you think is building a lot of the infrastructure in the US? The people putting a strain on the system are actually the aging baby boomer generation. I have many other reasons for supporting open immigration that are less transactional, but the suggestions that immigrants "strain" our infrastructure is incorrect.
- PlanksVariable 8mo ago
  Immigrants do bring important social and cultural capital. But nobody here is arguing in favor of no immigration. The standard among countries all over the world is to regulate the flow of immigration via immigration law and deportation of people who violate that law. How could a massive influx of people happening faster than a system can react not strain the system? I saw this firsthand in schools and hospitals where I grew up, and there are numerous examples throughout history from around the world of the disruption it can cause.
  - sosomoxie 8mo ago
    The US is not like many countries in that it was formed by illegal immigrants, and not just immigration, literal genocide and land theft of the indigenous people. That being said, all immigration policy is out of date. The world is connected now and the policies are an anachronism. > How could a massive influx of people happening faster than a system can react I don't agree that this is reality. Our system is not under strain from immigration. It's under strain because we spend our money on the military instead of improving infrastructure. It's also under strain due to wealth inequality and corporate friendly policy. None of which has anything to do with immigration.
    - nemo44x 8mo ago
      > The US is not like many countries in that it was formed by illegal immigrants… That’s a good argument for vigilantly enforcing immigration laws. Look what happens when you don’t.
- afpx 8mo ago
  I’m hoping the world grants everyone citizenship to the state of Israel. Most of us are children of Abraham statistically anyway. And, think of all the benefits and economic development.
  - midlander 8mo ago
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    - afpx 8mo ago
      I mean, isn't Israel the best candidate country, though?
      - midlander 8mo ago
        Not sure what point you were trying to make, but if it was about inconsistency on the Left, you could’ve picked better examples, like give all Americans citizenship to Greenland, or give all Russians citizenship in Ukraine.
duskdozer 8mo ago
>Disruption to peoples’ lives happens when we have administrations who arbitrarily decide not to enforce the immigration law (e.g. the previous administration). "US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's record" https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o

sosomoxie 8mo ago

> obviously can lead to unmanageable waves of immigration that strain a country’s housing, healthcare, schools, welfare, and other resources, among other effects. I don't agree that this is "obvious". Immigrants bring important social and cultural capital. Who do you think is building a lot of the infrastructure in the US? The people putting a strain on the system are actually the aging baby boomer generation. I have many other reasons for supporting open immigration that are less transactional, but the suggestions that immigrants "strain" our infrastructure is incorrect.

PlanksVariable 8mo ago
Immigrants do bring important social and cultural capital. But nobody here is arguing in favor of no immigration. The standard among countries all over the world is to regulate the flow of immigration via immigration law and deportation of people who violate that law. How could a massive influx of people happening faster than a system can react not strain the system? I saw this firsthand in schools and hospitals where I grew up, and there are numerous examples throughout history from around the world of the disruption it can cause.
- sosomoxie 8mo ago
  The US is not like many countries in that it was formed by illegal immigrants, and not just immigration, literal genocide and land theft of the indigenous people. That being said, all immigration policy is out of date. The world is connected now and the policies are an anachronism. > How could a massive influx of people happening faster than a system can react I don't agree that this is reality. Our system is not under strain from immigration. It's under strain because we spend our money on the military instead of improving infrastructure. It's also under strain due to wealth inequality and corporate friendly policy. None of which has anything to do with immigration.
  - nemo44x 8mo ago
    > The US is not like many countries in that it was formed by illegal immigrants… That’s a good argument for vigilantly enforcing immigration laws. Look what happens when you don’t.
afpx 8mo ago
I’m hoping the world grants everyone citizenship to the state of Israel. Most of us are children of Abraham statistically anyway. And, think of all the benefits and economic development.
- midlander 8mo ago
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  - afpx 8mo ago
    I mean, isn't Israel the best candidate country, though?
    - midlander 8mo ago
      Not sure what point you were trying to make, but if it was about inconsistency on the Left, you could’ve picked better examples, like give all Americans citizenship to Greenland, or give all Russians citizenship in Ukraine.

duskdozer 8mo ago

>Disruption to peoples’ lives happens when we have administrations who arbitrarily decide not to enforce the immigration law (e.g. the previous administration). "US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's record" https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o