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This is a useful measure to point the law as a weapon against drone operators who may be recording what’s going on by accident or on purpose. Any drone made in

This is a useful measure to point the law as a weapon against drone operators who may be recording what’s going on by accident or on purpose. Any drone made in the last few years is going to be emitting its ID, which likely has been registered with the pilot’s name and contact information. They can then after the fact come down on that person without having to get facial recognition, grab cellphone beacons, or other similar steps.

jacquesm 9mo ago
It's trivial to build your own drone without a DroneID.
- oawiejrlij 9mo ago
  For some people
- gtowey 9mo ago
  And you will be labeled a terrorist for doing so, regardless of intent.
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. Fortunately I'm not in the USA. But you couldn't pay me to go there. One man's terrorist...
    - themafia 9mo ago
      > I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government. It doesn't make you "cool." > But you couldn't pay me to go there. Of course we could. Aside from that this mentality always shocks me. There are more civilians in the US than government agents. What were you expecting when you got here? It's madness.. > One man's terrorist... Is another mans freedom fighter. Sure, fine, if you want a civil war. Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for? Unless you particularly enjoy digging graves for your friends.
      - abeyer 9mo ago
        > Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for? It certainly is, but one side doesn't seem to think so.
        themafia 9mo ago
        The "other side" says the same thing. I think you're both being manipulated by cynical people who have extensive access to the media that you do not. Seems far more likely, no?
      - ejdndjrnnd 9mo ago
        A civil war is coming whether you like it or not. The mentally-ill are running the asylum and executing citizens. No matter what crazy shit the gop/tea party/maga have accused the left of NONE of it came to pass until they themselves were in power. The administration WANTS a civil war; they’re ensuring one happens. If you’re against owning guns, you’re in for a world of hurt. So buckle-up butter cup, shit is gonna be insane soon.
        themafia 9mo ago
        > The mentally-ill are running the asylum and executing citizens. The the natural outcome should be rebellion. Why would it be civil war? Do you presume that the "other half" completely agree with Trump and would literally fight you to the death over it? You bandy about these terms as if you do not understand their true meaning. > The administration WANTS a civil war So you're going to play exactly into that? Why on earth would you give your "enemy" precisely what they seem to want? You can't detect the manipulation here? > you’re in for a world of hurt One of us is.
        iJohnDoe 9mo ago
        Arguably, there is a major contingency that will support Trump no matter what. We know this already. They are not shy about it. So yes, there certainly would be some level of civil war. It would be wishful thinking it would only be the people rising up against the government. If we had any level of that type unification then we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.
  - Cornbilly 9mo ago
    Yeah, that’s been the GOP playbook for 20+ years. It’s only recently been used for US citizens.
    - kernal 9mo ago
      [flagged]
      - Cornbilly 9mo ago
        You mean the ones that we had the ability to remove in previous administrations without the need for harassing and assaulting non-criminals and citizens on the street? As for the list, do you think this DHS compiles a list of its fuckups and publishes it? I can get you some news articles if you’d like.
        jacquesm 9mo ago
        And their list of fuckups is longer than their list of successes. It's like shooting with a machine gun into a random crowd because you think there might be a criminal in there somewhere. And that's when we for the moment pretend that their stated reason is their real reason, one that becomes increasingly less plausible. This really is just domestic terrorism, only the government is the one doing the terrorizing.
        kernal 9mo ago
        [flagged]
      - UncleEntity 9mo ago
        Here's the problem, from what I've been hearing most of the actual criminals they've been "catching" are turned over by local and state law enforcement agencies with the rest are either in the process of criminal proceedings (that pesky "innocent until proven guilty" thing) or are involved in the immigration process as dictated by law. They are literally pulling people out of judicial hearings, where the people are trying to comply with the law, and throwing them on airplanes without due process. Or just randomly snatching people off the streets with no probable cause including the occasional US citizen based on their (ancestors) national origin. Seriously, my step-father's family became US citizens as a result of the Mexican-American War and the federal courts say it's probable cause to detain them based on their physical appearance. Like, WTF??? --edit-- Just remembered my grandmother saying she didn't teach her children Spanish because she didn't want them to grow up with and accent because she was literally beat if she spoke Spanish in school. True, this was 100 years ago but still...
  - mothballed 9mo ago
    DHS flagged my passport on a list for literally fighting against terrorist in a US sanctioned anti-terrorist militia. When I returned they interrogated me as if I was a terrorist. So if you are against the terrorists, you are also a terrorist.
    - roughly 9mo ago
      The Americans who fought against the Francoists in the Spanish civil war faced enormous scrutiny back home for what was later described as “being prematurely anti-fascist.” The state worries about people willing to take up arms to protect their ideals without being told to do so (or what those ideals are).
      - nine_k 9mo ago
        This is the administration of the same FDR who stayed in power for 4 consecutive terms, which imprisoned nearly 150k ethnic Japanese, most of them US citizens, without any due process, and which executed one of the biggest power grabs by the federal administration. In a way, FDR was much more impudent towards law than Trump, but he was not publicly arrogant or silly, and WWII has been won under his rule, so he is considered a good guy.
        bsder 9mo ago
        FDR and the US were actively at war against Hitler and Nazi Germany. The Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. These were two of the worst, period, regimes to ever exist and they carried out absolutely abominable war crimes that are still studied in history books today. Trump and ICE are at war with a middle aged mother and a VA nurse. And they're doing all this in Minneapolis because the gangs in LA scared them off.
        nine_k 9mo ago
        Many of the interned Japanese were second or third generation US citizens. It was racism and economic competition, and also pandering to important voter constituences, pretending to have something to do with military circumstances. Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#Support_and_opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America... This was done despite multiple reports of the military officers who studied the problem and stated that the Japanese pose no threat, are often US patriots, and need not be isolated. Imagine Russia interning everyone of Ukrainian descent up to third generation because of the war, and everybody be like "Well, fine, they are doing a reasonable thing, let them go on".
  - sheikhnbake 9mo ago
    Every protester and registered democrat has been labelled a domestic terrorist already in both rhetoric and policy.
  - hackable_sand 9mo ago
    And...?
  - diebillionaires 9mo ago
    Anyone not fascist is already labelled a domestic terrorist.

jacquesm 9mo ago

It's trivial to build your own drone without a DroneID.

oawiejrlij 9mo ago
For some people
gtowey 9mo ago
And you will be labeled a terrorist for doing so, regardless of intent.
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. Fortunately I'm not in the USA. But you couldn't pay me to go there. One man's terrorist...
  - themafia 9mo ago
    > I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government. It doesn't make you "cool." > But you couldn't pay me to go there. Of course we could. Aside from that this mentality always shocks me. There are more civilians in the US than government agents. What were you expecting when you got here? It's madness.. > One man's terrorist... Is another mans freedom fighter. Sure, fine, if you want a civil war. Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for? Unless you particularly enjoy digging graves for your friends.
    - abeyer 9mo ago
      > Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for? It certainly is, but one side doesn't seem to think so.
      - themafia 9mo ago
        The "other side" says the same thing. I think you're both being manipulated by cynical people who have extensive access to the media that you do not. Seems far more likely, no?
    - ejdndjrnnd 9mo ago
      A civil war is coming whether you like it or not. The mentally-ill are running the asylum and executing citizens. No matter what crazy shit the gop/tea party/maga have accused the left of NONE of it came to pass until they themselves were in power. The administration WANTS a civil war; they’re ensuring one happens. If you’re against owning guns, you’re in for a world of hurt. So buckle-up butter cup, shit is gonna be insane soon.
      - themafia 9mo ago
        > The mentally-ill are running the asylum and executing citizens. The the natural outcome should be rebellion. Why would it be civil war? Do you presume that the "other half" completely agree with Trump and would literally fight you to the death over it? You bandy about these terms as if you do not understand their true meaning. > The administration WANTS a civil war So you're going to play exactly into that? Why on earth would you give your "enemy" precisely what they seem to want? You can't detect the manipulation here? > you’re in for a world of hurt One of us is.
        iJohnDoe 9mo ago
        Arguably, there is a major contingency that will support Trump no matter what. We know this already. They are not shy about it. So yes, there certainly would be some level of civil war. It would be wishful thinking it would only be the people rising up against the government. If we had any level of that type unification then we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.
- Cornbilly 9mo ago
  Yeah, that’s been the GOP playbook for 20+ years. It’s only recently been used for US citizens.
  - kernal 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    - Cornbilly 9mo ago
      You mean the ones that we had the ability to remove in previous administrations without the need for harassing and assaulting non-criminals and citizens on the street? As for the list, do you think this DHS compiles a list of its fuckups and publishes it? I can get you some news articles if you’d like.
      - jacquesm 9mo ago
        And their list of fuckups is longer than their list of successes. It's like shooting with a machine gun into a random crowd because you think there might be a criminal in there somewhere. And that's when we for the moment pretend that their stated reason is their real reason, one that becomes increasingly less plausible. This really is just domestic terrorism, only the government is the one doing the terrorizing.
      - kernal 9mo ago
        [flagged]
    - UncleEntity 9mo ago
      Here's the problem, from what I've been hearing most of the actual criminals they've been "catching" are turned over by local and state law enforcement agencies with the rest are either in the process of criminal proceedings (that pesky "innocent until proven guilty" thing) or are involved in the immigration process as dictated by law. They are literally pulling people out of judicial hearings, where the people are trying to comply with the law, and throwing them on airplanes without due process. Or just randomly snatching people off the streets with no probable cause including the occasional US citizen based on their (ancestors) national origin. Seriously, my step-father's family became US citizens as a result of the Mexican-American War and the federal courts say it's probable cause to detain them based on their physical appearance. Like, WTF??? --edit-- Just remembered my grandmother saying she didn't teach her children Spanish because she didn't want them to grow up with and accent because she was literally beat if she spoke Spanish in school. True, this was 100 years ago but still...
- mothballed 9mo ago
  DHS flagged my passport on a list for literally fighting against terrorist in a US sanctioned anti-terrorist militia. When I returned they interrogated me as if I was a terrorist. So if you are against the terrorists, you are also a terrorist.
  - roughly 9mo ago
    The Americans who fought against the Francoists in the Spanish civil war faced enormous scrutiny back home for what was later described as “being prematurely anti-fascist.” The state worries about people willing to take up arms to protect their ideals without being told to do so (or what those ideals are).
    - nine_k 9mo ago
      This is the administration of the same FDR who stayed in power for 4 consecutive terms, which imprisoned nearly 150k ethnic Japanese, most of them US citizens, without any due process, and which executed one of the biggest power grabs by the federal administration. In a way, FDR was much more impudent towards law than Trump, but he was not publicly arrogant or silly, and WWII has been won under his rule, so he is considered a good guy.
      - bsder 9mo ago
        FDR and the US were actively at war against Hitler and Nazi Germany. The Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. These were two of the worst, period, regimes to ever exist and they carried out absolutely abominable war crimes that are still studied in history books today. Trump and ICE are at war with a middle aged mother and a VA nurse. And they're doing all this in Minneapolis because the gangs in LA scared them off.
        nine_k 9mo ago
        Many of the interned Japanese were second or third generation US citizens. It was racism and economic competition, and also pandering to important voter constituences, pretending to have something to do with military circumstances. Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#Support_and_opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America... This was done despite multiple reports of the military officers who studied the problem and stated that the Japanese pose no threat, are often US patriots, and need not be isolated. Imagine Russia interning everyone of Ukrainian descent up to third generation because of the war, and everybody be like "Well, fine, they are doing a reasonable thing, let them go on".
- sheikhnbake 9mo ago
  Every protester and registered democrat has been labelled a domestic terrorist already in both rhetoric and policy.
- hackable_sand 9mo ago
  And...?
- diebillionaires 9mo ago
  Anyone not fascist is already labelled a domestic terrorist.