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If the make sideloading high-friction, either via account-bound or apk upload or permissions from MNO/ISP, I will leave android. I have a bunch of my own apps t

If the make sideloading high-friction, either via account-bound or apk upload or permissions from MNO/ISP, I will leave android. I have a bunch of my own apps that only I use, not released to the public, if I cannot use them, I have zero reason to stay on android. I think one of the reasons they want to lockdown the system is to prevent guys like me from locking THEM out of my home/ecosystems, as and example, I build my own launchers, specifically for TCL TV's, which runs Android TV and has Developer Mode + adb. Which means I remove all the bloat & ad garbage, which they want to prevent. We will get to the point where google will remove your ability to set custom dns servers and only use theirs.. just wait & see friends. Anywhoo, when this side loading fence materializes, I will jump ship to apple.

shreddit 9mo ago
Yeah, as an iOS dev, the grass is not greener on this side of the fence…
- stavros 9mo ago
  It's not, but at least it will be equally ungreen.
- jeroenhd 9mo ago
  From that I can see from the early leaks, it may actually be if you live inside of the EU where alternative app stores are now a requirement. iOS doesn't have the F-Droid ecosystem equivalent, but she F-Droid dies because of Google, there's a chance AltStore will be able to take its place.
- saurik 9mo ago
  The point isn't that things are better on this axis on iOS, but that things are better on numerous other axes, to the point where many people are only using Android at all because it feels slightly more open and free than iOS... if Google wants to play Apple's game, then the only reasons to bother with the mess that is Android are gone, and so you'll see people switch to iOS.
  - ihsw 9mo ago
    Eventually the only reason people will use Android is the same reason people are using Windows now -- mandated by their employer or by being forced into the bottom cost-tier of products. And the experience will be just as user-hostile with no end in sight.
xandrius 9mo ago
Why jump to another abuser when you could seriously start looking into alternatives? Ubuntu Touch has a really active community and it's very stable, you can even emulate android apps which you might absolutely need. I don't see Apple as the obvious next step; the obvious step, when one is pissed off with abuse of power is open source, not Apple.
- juliie 9mo ago
  Can I install my banking apps? Is there a Google pay equivalent? As much as I want open source, I really don't think it's there yet for most people.
  - pmlnr 9mo ago
    > Can I install my banking apps? Choose a bank with viable web banking. > Is there a Google pay equivalent? It's called a debit/credit card.
    - Macha 9mo ago
      > Choose a bank with viable web banking. There are five options in my country, 3 of which require app push based 2FA to log into the web interface and 2 of which only have an app interfere. Maybe I could get a EU bank from another EU country but my employer will not accept an out of country account for salary deposits because it makes their tax life difficult and my mortgage provider doesn't trust foreign accounts either. > It's called a debit/credit card Since about two years ago, activating a card requires the app.
      - clort 9mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banks_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banks_in_the_Republic_... so Eire has 5 significant banks, and 15 'less significant'. There are also 276 Credit Unions, I don't know if they are useful. (I had a Credit Union account in the past, could send/receive online but no payment card) (I don't know their suitability, but there are more than 5 options in your country)
tcfhgj 9mo ago
Why to apple?
rowbin 9mo ago
Sideloading is already worse on iOS
rockemsockem 9mo ago
Seems like you'll still be able to use your own apps just fine under this scheme. It also seems pretty obvious that the ignorant phone-users of the world who get scammed are the reason for this change. The revenue lost from people like you is really not worth any amount of engineering effort.

shreddit 9mo ago

Yeah, as an iOS dev, the grass is not greener on this side of the fence…

stavros 9mo ago
It's not, but at least it will be equally ungreen.
jeroenhd 9mo ago
From that I can see from the early leaks, it may actually be if you live inside of the EU where alternative app stores are now a requirement. iOS doesn't have the F-Droid ecosystem equivalent, but she F-Droid dies because of Google, there's a chance AltStore will be able to take its place.
saurik 9mo ago
The point isn't that things are better on this axis on iOS, but that things are better on numerous other axes, to the point where many people are only using Android at all because it feels slightly more open and free than iOS... if Google wants to play Apple's game, then the only reasons to bother with the mess that is Android are gone, and so you'll see people switch to iOS.
- ihsw 9mo ago
  Eventually the only reason people will use Android is the same reason people are using Windows now -- mandated by their employer or by being forced into the bottom cost-tier of products. And the experience will be just as user-hostile with no end in sight.

xandrius 9mo ago

Why jump to another abuser when you could seriously start looking into alternatives? Ubuntu Touch has a really active community and it's very stable, you can even emulate android apps which you might absolutely need. I don't see Apple as the obvious next step; the obvious step, when one is pissed off with abuse of power is open source, not Apple.

juliie 9mo ago
Can I install my banking apps? Is there a Google pay equivalent? As much as I want open source, I really don't think it's there yet for most people.
- pmlnr 9mo ago
  > Can I install my banking apps? Choose a bank with viable web banking. > Is there a Google pay equivalent? It's called a debit/credit card.
  - Macha 9mo ago
    > Choose a bank with viable web banking. There are five options in my country, 3 of which require app push based 2FA to log into the web interface and 2 of which only have an app interfere. Maybe I could get a EU bank from another EU country but my employer will not accept an out of country account for salary deposits because it makes their tax life difficult and my mortgage provider doesn't trust foreign accounts either. > It's called a debit/credit card Since about two years ago, activating a card requires the app.
    - clort 9mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banks_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banks_in_the_Republic_... so Eire has 5 significant banks, and 15 'less significant'. There are also 276 Credit Unions, I don't know if they are useful. (I had a Credit Union account in the past, could send/receive online but no payment card) (I don't know their suitability, but there are more than 5 options in your country)

tcfhgj 9mo ago

Why to apple?

rowbin 9mo ago

Sideloading is already worse on iOS

rockemsockem 9mo ago

Seems like you'll still be able to use your own apps just fine under this scheme. It also seems pretty obvious that the ignorant phone-users of the world who get scammed are the reason for this change. The revenue lost from people like you is really not worth any amount of engineering effort.