4 ms·

National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

93 points by connor11528 8mo ago

binarymax 8mo ago
I’m not sure how many people realize this, but ICE is the buildup for trump to hold power by deploying soldiers ahead of time. I expect we will see them deployed at the election sites of democratic cities in November.
- mcphage 8mo ago
  They’re failing to control a single mid-sized city, I’m not sure how they would maintain control over half the country. They don’t have the numbers, and are widely hated.
  - binarymax 8mo ago
    If you want to hold on to the house and senate you don’t need to maintain control - you just need to disrupt the elections of 10 to 20 key cities, and they have the numbers for that.
    - mcphage 8mo ago
      > they have the numbers for that Maybe, but right now they’re trying for 1 and can’t do it. Not sure where they are hiding 10x or 20x the troops.
      - binarymax 8mo ago
        The intention is disruption, they don’t care about control. They are disrupting lives in several cities.
        mcphage 8mo ago
        They are disrupting lives, but elections? Imagine if the election was held today in Minneapolis, how do you think the vote would go? Would people be afraid to vote, or would it be the largest turnout the city has ever seen?
        ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
        That's a blue state being targeted for revenge and for practice and so they can spin stories for their voters in other states. They'd probably target blue cities in swing states if they wanted to impact votes. They have people who are experts in this. Before the latest wave of open fascism, many of the rising stars in the Republican party where people who were experts at removing people with Democrat sounding names off voter registration databases shortly before elections. They have the data to target this effectively if they want to do it.
        mcphage 8mo ago
        I agree that’s their plan. But that plan is currently failing, and it’s not looking like they’re learning anything from it.
        ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
        How is their plan failing? Fox viewers are being told that violent terrorists are trying to murder ICE to protect criminal Somalis. They have even better data on what lies resonate with their base to excuse the next killing. How does this not advance their agenda?
        mcphage 8mo ago
        Their plan is failing because their popularity numbers are dropping constantly, and they are convincing people to get out and organize and protest. Like, do you actually see any successes here? They’ve managed to turn “Abolish ICE” from a fringe left wing opinion, to the mainstream centrist position. Like, I get that they’re doing this big show of force. But they’re losing. They are not accomplishing any of their goals, and the longer this goes on, the more the population is turning against them, and the less and less they will be able to accomplish their goals anywhere. Minnesota is not afraid of them, and they’re teaching the rest of the country not to fear them either.
  - UncleMeat 8mo ago
    They don't need to maintain control. Elections are close and voters are geographically polarized. Reduce turnout in cities in four or five swing states and that can be enough to flip an election. If you've got ICE just detaining random non-white people near polling places based on the theory put forward in Noem v Vasquez Perdomo, how many nonwhite citizens who would be solid voters for the democrats just decide to stay at home rather than go to the polls? It is possible that this approach sparks a reaction and backfires. But I'm not sure that's a guarantee.
    - mcphage 8mo ago
      > It is possible that this approach sparks a reaction and backfires. Not only is that possible, but it is actively happing as we speak.
- Trasmatta 8mo ago
  The massive public outcry against ICE would likely cause that to backfire. Look at the extent of protesting in Minneapolis. People aren't afraid of ICE, putting them at polling stations would intensify the outrage against them, and fire up the opposition. They're
  - etyhhgfff 8mo ago
    In an all out fight ICE vs We The People (with AR-15 + bump stocks), I bet everything on the people.
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
- pan69 8mo ago
  My two cents. Trump likes the idea that in the Ukraine they can't hold elections when they are at war as per their constitution. Even though the US doesn't have such a thing, it's not going to deter Trump from creating a "situation" where he can declare a marshall law event of some sort to "postpone" elections, indefinitely. If Americans think that there are going to be midterms, or even a next presidential election, better get ready!
nvahalik 8mo ago
[flagged]
- binarymax 8mo ago
  It’s fair to say that the federal government is no longer a trusted source of information on this matter.
- mcphage 8mo ago
  > have genuinely no idea idea what is going on or who to trust here. Well, which one photoshops people they don’t like and releases them, claiming they are real? AP or the White House?
- bigyabai 8mo ago
  > official statements from the government agencies themselves say isn't true. I don't think you've been paying much attention to this admin's PR: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-ice-protest-arrest-altered-image https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-...
- geenkeuse 8mo ago
  If you don't see what's going on at this point then you are either wilfully ignorant or feigning ignorance. Anybody who cares just a little about "the others" can see the truth. Wake up!
- parrellel 8mo ago
  Well, the whole execution was recorded from at least 3 available angles. You could just check.
  - orionsbelt 8mo ago
    Well, from what I’ve seen, the most likely theory is that the agent who disarmed the man (after another agent had yelled “gun”) then accidentally discharged the weapon, which caused all the other ICE officers to freak out and discharge their weapons. I don’t want to argue over the broader questions; ie should ICE even be there and doing this; are they adequately trained; are they overly aggressive to tackle this guy and pepper spray him in the first instance; is American law enforcement is way too trigger happy and protective of their own skin; and so on. There’s a lot of validity to all of that. But the narrow story of this particular incident changes a lot if there was an accidental discharge that made the other offices believe he was shooting.
DustinEchoes 8mo ago
More tinder for the fire, waiting for a spark.
OsrsNeedsf2P 8mo ago
[flagged]
- tylerritchie 8mo ago
  To be clear, this position is: "capitulate to the police state, or die" with no discussion about whether that should be the case. It's a bad take.
- JoeAltmaier 8mo ago
  The penalty for legal concealed carry is not death. Victim blaming may be practical, but it's a measure of the depths the government agents have come to, that we are in fear of our lives from them and stepping out of line might be a death sentence.
- happytoexplain 8mo ago
  Don't excuse murder. Everybody already knows what to do in a civil unrest scenario if you don't want to risk your life (stay at home, don't let in anybody without a warrant). There are other people with different, more noble priorities.
- orwin 8mo ago
  Exactly what was said to the Venezuelian and Irani protesters. On the other side, the last time in the US police were killing this indiscriminately, some people in Oakland started open carrying automatic rifles in groups and followed patrol cars to prevent those 'mistakes' to happen again.
NedF 8mo ago
[dead]
OutOfHere 8mo ago
How soon before this article too gets flagged and removed? Here is its link for posterity: https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-24-2026 https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-2...
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
ChrisArchitect 8mo ago
Related: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047
Vanit 8mo ago
The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.
- defrost 8mo ago
  > In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing. Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians. eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inquest-findings-nt-coroner-yuendumu/105497006 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu... Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc. They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.
- throw0101c 8mo ago
  > The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. The only insanity is in the defence of the killing(s). On the most recent event, a reduced-speed video showing one agent (centre, bent over at beginning) removing the victim's firearm from his waistband, then a second agent (left) waiting for the first to get clear, and then pulling his pistol (video stops before any shooting): * https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 * https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 The actual shooting of the victim; view discretion advised: * https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 * https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660
polotics 8mo ago
Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right? NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 8mo ago
  The 2A was only meant to apply to Republicans, obviously.

93 points by connor11528 8mo ago

I’m not sure how many people realize this, but ICE is the buildup for trump to hold power by deploying soldiers ahead of time. I expect we will see them deployed at the election sites of democratic cities in November.

mcphage 8mo ago
They’re failing to control a single mid-sized city, I’m not sure how they would maintain control over half the country. They don’t have the numbers, and are widely hated.
- binarymax 8mo ago
  If you want to hold on to the house and senate you don’t need to maintain control - you just need to disrupt the elections of 10 to 20 key cities, and they have the numbers for that.
  - mcphage 8mo ago
    > they have the numbers for that Maybe, but right now they’re trying for 1 and can’t do it. Not sure where they are hiding 10x or 20x the troops.
    - binarymax 8mo ago
      The intention is disruption, they don’t care about control. They are disrupting lives in several cities.
      - mcphage 8mo ago
        They are disrupting lives, but elections? Imagine if the election was held today in Minneapolis, how do you think the vote would go? Would people be afraid to vote, or would it be the largest turnout the city has ever seen?
        ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
        That's a blue state being targeted for revenge and for practice and so they can spin stories for their voters in other states. They'd probably target blue cities in swing states if they wanted to impact votes. They have people who are experts in this. Before the latest wave of open fascism, many of the rising stars in the Republican party where people who were experts at removing people with Democrat sounding names off voter registration databases shortly before elections. They have the data to target this effectively if they want to do it.
        mcphage 8mo ago
        I agree that’s their plan. But that plan is currently failing, and it’s not looking like they’re learning anything from it.
        ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
        How is their plan failing? Fox viewers are being told that violent terrorists are trying to murder ICE to protect criminal Somalis. They have even better data on what lies resonate with their base to excuse the next killing. How does this not advance their agenda?
        mcphage 8mo ago
        Their plan is failing because their popularity numbers are dropping constantly, and they are convincing people to get out and organize and protest. Like, do you actually see any successes here? They’ve managed to turn “Abolish ICE” from a fringe left wing opinion, to the mainstream centrist position. Like, I get that they’re doing this big show of force. But they’re losing. They are not accomplishing any of their goals, and the longer this goes on, the more the population is turning against them, and the less and less they will be able to accomplish their goals anywhere. Minnesota is not afraid of them, and they’re teaching the rest of the country not to fear them either.
- UncleMeat 8mo ago
  They don't need to maintain control. Elections are close and voters are geographically polarized. Reduce turnout in cities in four or five swing states and that can be enough to flip an election. If you've got ICE just detaining random non-white people near polling places based on the theory put forward in Noem v Vasquez Perdomo, how many nonwhite citizens who would be solid voters for the democrats just decide to stay at home rather than go to the polls? It is possible that this approach sparks a reaction and backfires. But I'm not sure that's a guarantee.
  - mcphage 8mo ago
    > It is possible that this approach sparks a reaction and backfires. Not only is that possible, but it is actively happing as we speak.
Trasmatta 8mo ago
The massive public outcry against ICE would likely cause that to backfire. Look at the extent of protesting in Minneapolis. People aren't afraid of ICE, putting them at polling stations would intensify the outrage against them, and fire up the opposition. They're
- etyhhgfff 8mo ago
  In an all out fight ICE vs We The People (with AR-15 + bump stocks), I bet everything on the people.
deleted 8mo ago
[deleted]
pan69 8mo ago
My two cents. Trump likes the idea that in the Ukraine they can't hold elections when they are at war as per their constitution. Even though the US doesn't have such a thing, it's not going to deter Trump from creating a "situation" where he can declare a marshall law event of some sort to "postpone" elections, indefinitely. If Americans think that there are going to be midterms, or even a next presidential election, better get ready!

nvahalik 8mo ago

[flagged]

binarymax 8mo ago
It’s fair to say that the federal government is no longer a trusted source of information on this matter.
mcphage 8mo ago
> have genuinely no idea idea what is going on or who to trust here. Well, which one photoshops people they don’t like and releases them, claiming they are real? AP or the White House?
bigyabai 8mo ago
> official statements from the government agencies themselves say isn't true. I don't think you've been paying much attention to this admin's PR: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-ice-protest-arrest-altered-image https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-...
geenkeuse 8mo ago
If you don't see what's going on at this point then you are either wilfully ignorant or feigning ignorance. Anybody who cares just a little about "the others" can see the truth. Wake up!
parrellel 8mo ago
Well, the whole execution was recorded from at least 3 available angles. You could just check.
- orionsbelt 8mo ago
  Well, from what I’ve seen, the most likely theory is that the agent who disarmed the man (after another agent had yelled “gun”) then accidentally discharged the weapon, which caused all the other ICE officers to freak out and discharge their weapons. I don’t want to argue over the broader questions; ie should ICE even be there and doing this; are they adequately trained; are they overly aggressive to tackle this guy and pepper spray him in the first instance; is American law enforcement is way too trigger happy and protective of their own skin; and so on. There’s a lot of validity to all of that. But the narrow story of this particular incident changes a lot if there was an accidental discharge that made the other offices believe he was shooting.

DustinEchoes 8mo ago

More tinder for the fire, waiting for a spark.

OsrsNeedsf2P 8mo ago

[flagged]

tylerritchie 8mo ago
To be clear, this position is: "capitulate to the police state, or die" with no discussion about whether that should be the case. It's a bad take.
JoeAltmaier 8mo ago
The penalty for legal concealed carry is not death. Victim blaming may be practical, but it's a measure of the depths the government agents have come to, that we are in fear of our lives from them and stepping out of line might be a death sentence.
happytoexplain 8mo ago
Don't excuse murder. Everybody already knows what to do in a civil unrest scenario if you don't want to risk your life (stay at home, don't let in anybody without a warrant). There are other people with different, more noble priorities.
orwin 8mo ago
Exactly what was said to the Venezuelian and Irani protesters. On the other side, the last time in the US police were killing this indiscriminately, some people in Oakland started open carrying automatic rifles in groups and followed patrol cars to prevent those 'mistakes' to happen again.

NedF 8mo ago

[dead]

OutOfHere 8mo ago

How soon before this article too gets flagged and removed? Here is its link for posterity: https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-24-2026 https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-2...

deleted 8mo ago
[deleted]

ChrisArchitect 8mo ago

Related: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047

Vanit 8mo ago

The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.

defrost 8mo ago
> In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing. Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians. eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inquest-findings-nt-coroner-yuendumu/105497006 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu... Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc. They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.
throw0101c 8mo ago
> The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. The only insanity is in the defence of the killing(s). On the most recent event, a reduced-speed video showing one agent (centre, bent over at beginning) removing the victim's firearm from his waistband, then a second agent (left) waiting for the first to get clear, and then pulling his pistol (video stops before any shooting): * https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 * https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 The actual shooting of the victim; view discretion advised: * https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 * https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660

polotics 8mo ago

Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right? NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.

Eddy_Viscosity2 8mo ago
The 2A was only meant to apply to Republicans, obviously.