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> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." This has already

> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." This has already been proven to be a lie thanks to the five different videos of the incident in question. They shot him after removing his legal weapon for concealed carry that he was permitted to have on his person.

zahlman 9mo ago
Show me one of them. Show me how you think it demonstrates such a thing. Make sure it is something that starts well before the actual apprehension.
- fzeroracer 9mo ago
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  - zahlman 9mo ago
    > Frankly if you don't change your opinion after this, then I'm going to either assume you're a federal agent attempting to maintain the propaganda line or so absolutely psychotic that you belong well and away from proper society. I am not watching your videos just because you said this. I approached the situation with a respectful disagreeing opinion and the information available to me. Everyone else here is being unreasonable and completely in violation of commenting guidelines.
    - ajross 9mo ago
      > I am not watching your videos Oooph. Just watch it.
    - dekhn 9mo ago
      Although I normally avoid these videos I did sit through all the ones I could find, and I strongly recommend watching them.
    - fzeroracer 9mo ago
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      - zahlman 9mo ago
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    - Mawr 9mo ago
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    - prophesi 9mo ago
      Not OP, and not going to call you a fed or psychotic, but I recommend watching the videos if you'd like to form an educated opinion on this situation.
    - joquarky 9mo ago
      When everyone else is incorrect, perhaps it is time to reevaluate your understanding.
    - queenkjuul 9mo ago
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  - jbullock35 9mo ago
    Thanks. I watched the videos. It's a horrific event. But I can't see that either of the videos shows a gun being removed from a protester. At the end of [2], someone does seem to walk away from the scene holding a gun, just a fraction of a second before the shooting begins. But I can't see any point at which a gun is removed from a protester.
  - gusgus01 9mo ago
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    - zahlman 9mo ago
      You say that as if there were something inherently wrong with offering such a defense. That is simply not so. It is, in fact, possible for shootings by LEO to be justified. And the federal ICE agents are, in fact, law enforcement. Walz and/or Frey are factually incorrect when they assert otherwise, it's trivially looked up, relevant legal statues like 8 U.S. Code § 1357 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357) are quite clear about the agents' powers (which as an objective matter of fact do include situations where they may arrest US citizens without a warrant), and Walz and Frey have no real excuse for their false assertions. You don't have to like laws that entitle law enforcement to use lethal force in limited circumstances (which seem to be only slightly broader than those extended to ordinary citizens), but the US does in fact have such laws, at both state and federal level. And the consequence of not having them, practically speaking, is that criminals kill officers and/or go free. And as it happens, there's a clear defense in the Good case. I've already pointed at actual lawyers saying the same and explaining it in detail. And my submission of that (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46596055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46596055) got flagged for no good reason.
- computerthings 9mo ago
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- edaemon 9mo ago
  In this video you can see the agent in the gray coat and baseball cap remove the gun from Pretti's waistband: https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4 Here is a stabilized version: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlyj9h/i_did_my_best_to_stabilize_the_video_you_can/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlyj9h/i_did_... After that agent takes the gun, the agent standing immediately to the left draws and fires into Pretti's back.
- Hikikomori 9mo ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the_grey_coat_officer_retrieving_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the... Prediction: no answer

zahlman 9mo ago

Show me one of them. Show me how you think it demonstrates such a thing. Make sure it is something that starts well before the actual apprehension.

fzeroracer 9mo ago
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- zahlman 9mo ago
  > Frankly if you don't change your opinion after this, then I'm going to either assume you're a federal agent attempting to maintain the propaganda line or so absolutely psychotic that you belong well and away from proper society. I am not watching your videos just because you said this. I approached the situation with a respectful disagreeing opinion and the information available to me. Everyone else here is being unreasonable and completely in violation of commenting guidelines.
  - ajross 9mo ago
    > I am not watching your videos Oooph. Just watch it.
  - dekhn 9mo ago
    Although I normally avoid these videos I did sit through all the ones I could find, and I strongly recommend watching them.
  - fzeroracer 9mo ago
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    - zahlman 9mo ago
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  - Mawr 9mo ago
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  - prophesi 9mo ago
    Not OP, and not going to call you a fed or psychotic, but I recommend watching the videos if you'd like to form an educated opinion on this situation.
  - joquarky 9mo ago
    When everyone else is incorrect, perhaps it is time to reevaluate your understanding.
  - queenkjuul 9mo ago
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- jbullock35 9mo ago
  Thanks. I watched the videos. It's a horrific event. But I can't see that either of the videos shows a gun being removed from a protester. At the end of [2], someone does seem to walk away from the scene holding a gun, just a fraction of a second before the shooting begins. But I can't see any point at which a gun is removed from a protester.
- gusgus01 9mo ago
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  - zahlman 9mo ago
    You say that as if there were something inherently wrong with offering such a defense. That is simply not so. It is, in fact, possible for shootings by LEO to be justified. And the federal ICE agents are, in fact, law enforcement. Walz and/or Frey are factually incorrect when they assert otherwise, it's trivially looked up, relevant legal statues like 8 U.S. Code § 1357 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357) are quite clear about the agents' powers (which as an objective matter of fact do include situations where they may arrest US citizens without a warrant), and Walz and Frey have no real excuse for their false assertions. You don't have to like laws that entitle law enforcement to use lethal force in limited circumstances (which seem to be only slightly broader than those extended to ordinary citizens), but the US does in fact have such laws, at both state and federal level. And the consequence of not having them, practically speaking, is that criminals kill officers and/or go free. And as it happens, there's a clear defense in the Good case. I've already pointed at actual lawyers saying the same and explaining it in detail. And my submission of that (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46596055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46596055) got flagged for no good reason.
computerthings 9mo ago
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edaemon 9mo ago
In this video you can see the agent in the gray coat and baseball cap remove the gun from Pretti's waistband: https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4 Here is a stabilized version: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlyj9h/i_did_my_best_to_stabilize_the_video_you_can/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlyj9h/i_did_... After that agent takes the gun, the agent standing immediately to the left draws and fires into Pretti's back.
Hikikomori 9mo ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the_grey_coat_officer_retrieving_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the... Prediction: no answer