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I looked at the video and have no words. Why, just why?

jeffbee 8mo ago
ICE thugs have been recruited largely from white nationalist rallies and forums. Literally, not as some kind of metaphor. DHS executives post white nationalist propaganda hourly on Twitter. Stephen Miller, an out-of-the-closet Nazi, is the acting president of the United States. Their goal is to start a race war that they believe they can win by murdering 100 million Americans.
- password54321 8mo ago
  Just in case anyone thinks you are exaggerating: https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298 https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298
  - lynndotpy 8mo ago
    For those who can't access the link, this is the United States DHS with the quote > The peace of a nation no longer besieged by the third world. featuring an illustration of an oldsmobile at a tropical sunny beach with the text "America After 100 Million Deportations". The implication is that a white ethnostate will be paradise. Notably, 100M is not the number of non-citizens in the United States, it's roughly the number of non-White people (90M, per https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045224 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045224)
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    - Gud 8mo ago
      "This image was stolen and is actually a piece of art by the Japanese artist Hiroshi Nagai. 47 million of the United States’ 340 million population is foreign-born, the majority of those being legal immigrants. To do 100 million deportations they’d have to deport citizens. "
      - direwolf20 8mo ago
        Nothing this administration has done — like when they deported citizens — has convinced me that deporting citizens is off the table.
        komali2 8mo ago
        They have already deported USA citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths%2C_detentions_and_deportations_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths%2C_detentions_and_depor...
    - joquarky 8mo ago
      « According to the New York Times, the president told a campaign meeting last year that if it was up to Miller, there would only be 100 million people living in the US – and all of them would look like Miller. » https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/15/trump-immigration-stephen-miller-influence https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/15/trump-immigr...
  - morkalork 8mo ago
    Many such cases: https://x.com/usdol/status/2005005413805162993 https://x.com/usdol/status/2005005413805162993
  - jimt1234 8mo ago
    The federal government really has become nothing more than a bunch of social media influencers.
    - password54321 8mo ago
      Yup, just "social media influencers". Nothing much to see here.
    - Tadpole9181 8mo ago
      Nazis. The federal government has become nothing more than actual, honest-to-God Nazis. The other day, the official DHS presser had them prominently displaying a direct Nazi slogan: "One of ours, All of yours". This, of course, referenced how that day one of their ICE agents murdered an innocent US citizen.
- _DeadFred_ 8mo ago
  Lots of Department of Corrections officers have been recruited as well. There's going to be so many lawsuits after these guys go back to running the Federal prisons with this new attitude.
  - jeffbee 8mo ago
    Yeah, the fact that Democratic state and local governments have tolerated the decades-long slide of sheriffs and prison guards and in some cases even the local police into white nationalist gangs will be looked upon as a strategic mistake.
    - UncleMeat 8mo ago
      They haven't just tolerated it. They've decided that cops are deserving of nearly unlimited reverence and they've actively supported the increased funding and militarization of cops. Police unions have become right wing political agitators from within the state apparatus. Cops are doing what they were doing in the jim crow era: enforcing a strict caste system with violence.
- OGEnthusiast 8mo ago
  I don't think we can just blame white people for this. A lot of the ICE agents are non-white and many non-whites voted for Trump. In fact, most of the pro-immigrant people I meet are white!
  - krapp 8mo ago
    You're correct that it would be wrong to just blame white people for this, but I don't think anyone is doing that. No one is claiming that all white people support ICE, or that all ICE agents are white, or that all white people are anti-immigrant. However, it is the case that American culture is and historically has been built upon white supremacist principles and that the default identity in the US politically and culturally is white, and that therefore white people generally enjoy a status of privilege and political power that other groups do not, and thus a responsibility that others do not. And the links between the Trump administration, alt-right movements and white supremacist groups in the US are well known and documented, even though minority groups voted for him as well. So it would be just as wrong to dismiss the premise that "white people" are to blame due to pedantry as it would be to blame all white people. "White people" do carry the lion's share of the blame as a community and culture even if not literally every white person does. That's the nature of systemic racism.
  - lynndotpy 8mo ago
    Nobody is blaming white people. They're pointing out, correctly, that the United States is lead by a white nationalist regime.
  - joquarky 8mo ago
    What good is blame going to do right now? Let's stop the bleeding before bike shedding over who done it.
tim333 8mo ago
There was an interesting take from Garry Kasparov. Excerpts: >what’s happening in Minnesota is method, not madness. Trump wants violence, to radicalize & divide, to create pretext for crackdowns. >...Having lived through a similar, nationwide version of this in Trump's model, Putin's Russia, it’s not easy to fight against (https://x.com/Kasparov63/status/2015126502845587957 https://x.com/Kasparov63/status/2015126502845587957) I'm not American and not saying it's right or wrong but maybe?
- culebron21 8mo ago
  Kasparov as usually exaggerates. As a Russian, I can think of only 2 cases he may refer to: 2002 riot after world cup match, when a crowd watched Russia team lose to Japan, then went to destroy displays and cars in Moscow center. It was followed by wrenching the mass rallies laws. Some publicists later, in the '10s, suggested it was orchestrated, but the whole theory forgets that Russian team could have won. You don't create a plan where your pretexts may not take place at all. The other case he may think of is May 2012 protest, where a bottleneck created stampede, and a fight with police ensued. Random protesters got persecuted for whatever reasons. But the crackdown was already under way with the new state Duma passing ever tougher law amendments. Sociologically, it's nonsense to make a pretext by attacking the other side, because you don't know what how they react: maybe the opponents just hide, or go around. To make a crackdown, you stage the attack on yourself, and then react, and crack down. E.g. Hitler staged the opposition putting Reichstag on fire, and then reacted. In Trumps case, brutal attacks are a step too far, because people may react differently -- what if nothing happens? or if republicans change their mind and impeach him? Putin made a crackdown on media and civic liberties in a soft and gradual way: the media was taken down by stakeholders loyal to him, or maybe by a made-up bankruptcy case. Mass protests were made very hard to do, and needed a permission. But if any happened, the police wouldn't start a street fight, but would instead arrest and charge the organizers next day. What Kasparov usually writes is a big exaggeration. In 2015 he wrote a comment on social media, that Russia needs a pro-democratic dictatorship to fix it. I think this is exactly what technocrats and oligarchs thought when they supported Putin coming in 1999 -- that he was authoritarian, but would lead Russia away from communistic revenge.
  - 8mo ago
int_19h 8mo ago
Is it the first video of American law enforcement shooting someone that triggered this reaction? This is from 8 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc. Extreme violence has been normalized among American LEOs for a long time now. Look up "killology" for some more on this. If you're in US, check if your local PD or sheriff's office signed up its agents for a Dave Grossman seminar or training course; you might be unpleasantly surprised. And now that ICE job ads are essentially an open invitation to come be violent for a "righteous cause", it's exactly those types of people that end up there in even larger concentrations. But make no mistake, none of this is new in any way other than the sheer scale of it.

ICE thugs have been recruited largely from white nationalist rallies and forums. Literally, not as some kind of metaphor. DHS executives post white nationalist propaganda hourly on Twitter. Stephen Miller, an out-of-the-closet Nazi, is the acting president of the United States. Their goal is to start a race war that they believe they can win by murdering 100 million Americans.

password54321 8mo ago
Just in case anyone thinks you are exaggerating: https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298 https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298
- lynndotpy 8mo ago
  For those who can't access the link, this is the United States DHS with the quote > The peace of a nation no longer besieged by the third world. featuring an illustration of an oldsmobile at a tropical sunny beach with the text "America After 100 Million Deportations". The implication is that a white ethnostate will be paradise. Notably, 100M is not the number of non-citizens in the United States, it's roughly the number of non-White people (90M, per https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045224 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045224)
  - deleted 8mo ago
    [deleted]
  - Gud 8mo ago
    "This image was stolen and is actually a piece of art by the Japanese artist Hiroshi Nagai. 47 million of the United States’ 340 million population is foreign-born, the majority of those being legal immigrants. To do 100 million deportations they’d have to deport citizens. "
    - direwolf20 8mo ago
      Nothing this administration has done — like when they deported citizens — has convinced me that deporting citizens is off the table.
      - komali2 8mo ago
        They have already deported USA citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths%2C_detentions_and_deportations_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths%2C_detentions_and_depor...
  - joquarky 8mo ago
    « According to the New York Times, the president told a campaign meeting last year that if it was up to Miller, there would only be 100 million people living in the US – and all of them would look like Miller. » https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/15/trump-immigration-stephen-miller-influence https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/15/trump-immigr...
- morkalork 8mo ago
  Many such cases: https://x.com/usdol/status/2005005413805162993 https://x.com/usdol/status/2005005413805162993
- jimt1234 8mo ago
  The federal government really has become nothing more than a bunch of social media influencers.
  - password54321 8mo ago
    Yup, just "social media influencers". Nothing much to see here.
  - Tadpole9181 8mo ago
    Nazis. The federal government has become nothing more than actual, honest-to-God Nazis. The other day, the official DHS presser had them prominently displaying a direct Nazi slogan: "One of ours, All of yours". This, of course, referenced how that day one of their ICE agents murdered an innocent US citizen.
_DeadFred_ 8mo ago
Lots of Department of Corrections officers have been recruited as well. There's going to be so many lawsuits after these guys go back to running the Federal prisons with this new attitude.
- jeffbee 8mo ago
  Yeah, the fact that Democratic state and local governments have tolerated the decades-long slide of sheriffs and prison guards and in some cases even the local police into white nationalist gangs will be looked upon as a strategic mistake.
  - UncleMeat 8mo ago
    They haven't just tolerated it. They've decided that cops are deserving of nearly unlimited reverence and they've actively supported the increased funding and militarization of cops. Police unions have become right wing political agitators from within the state apparatus. Cops are doing what they were doing in the jim crow era: enforcing a strict caste system with violence.
OGEnthusiast 8mo ago
I don't think we can just blame white people for this. A lot of the ICE agents are non-white and many non-whites voted for Trump. In fact, most of the pro-immigrant people I meet are white!
- krapp 8mo ago
  You're correct that it would be wrong to just blame white people for this, but I don't think anyone is doing that. No one is claiming that all white people support ICE, or that all ICE agents are white, or that all white people are anti-immigrant. However, it is the case that American culture is and historically has been built upon white supremacist principles and that the default identity in the US politically and culturally is white, and that therefore white people generally enjoy a status of privilege and political power that other groups do not, and thus a responsibility that others do not. And the links between the Trump administration, alt-right movements and white supremacist groups in the US are well known and documented, even though minority groups voted for him as well. So it would be just as wrong to dismiss the premise that "white people" are to blame due to pedantry as it would be to blame all white people. "White people" do carry the lion's share of the blame as a community and culture even if not literally every white person does. That's the nature of systemic racism.
- lynndotpy 8mo ago
  Nobody is blaming white people. They're pointing out, correctly, that the United States is lead by a white nationalist regime.
- joquarky 8mo ago
  What good is blame going to do right now? Let's stop the bleeding before bike shedding over who done it.

tim333 8mo ago

There was an interesting take from Garry Kasparov. Excerpts: >what’s happening in Minnesota is method, not madness. Trump wants violence, to radicalize & divide, to create pretext for crackdowns. >...Having lived through a similar, nationwide version of this in Trump's model, Putin's Russia, it’s not easy to fight against (https://x.com/Kasparov63/status/2015126502845587957 https://x.com/Kasparov63/status/2015126502845587957) I'm not American and not saying it's right or wrong but maybe?

culebron21 8mo ago
Kasparov as usually exaggerates. As a Russian, I can think of only 2 cases he may refer to: 2002 riot after world cup match, when a crowd watched Russia team lose to Japan, then went to destroy displays and cars in Moscow center. It was followed by wrenching the mass rallies laws. Some publicists later, in the '10s, suggested it was orchestrated, but the whole theory forgets that Russian team could have won. You don't create a plan where your pretexts may not take place at all. The other case he may think of is May 2012 protest, where a bottleneck created stampede, and a fight with police ensued. Random protesters got persecuted for whatever reasons. But the crackdown was already under way with the new state Duma passing ever tougher law amendments. Sociologically, it's nonsense to make a pretext by attacking the other side, because you don't know what how they react: maybe the opponents just hide, or go around. To make a crackdown, you stage the attack on yourself, and then react, and crack down. E.g. Hitler staged the opposition putting Reichstag on fire, and then reacted. In Trumps case, brutal attacks are a step too far, because people may react differently -- what if nothing happens? or if republicans change their mind and impeach him? Putin made a crackdown on media and civic liberties in a soft and gradual way: the media was taken down by stakeholders loyal to him, or maybe by a made-up bankruptcy case. Mass protests were made very hard to do, and needed a permission. But if any happened, the police wouldn't start a street fight, but would instead arrest and charge the organizers next day. What Kasparov usually writes is a big exaggeration. In 2015 he wrote a comment on social media, that Russia needs a pro-democratic dictatorship to fix it. I think this is exactly what technocrats and oligarchs thought when they supported Putin coming in 1999 -- that he was authoritarian, but would lead Russia away from communistic revenge.
- 8mo ago

int_19h 8mo ago

Is it the first video of American law enforcement shooting someone that triggered this reaction? This is from 8 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc. Extreme violence has been normalized among American LEOs for a long time now. Look up "killology" for some more on this. If you're in US, check if your local PD or sheriff's office signed up its agents for a Dave Grossman seminar or training course; you might be unpleasantly surprised. And now that ICE job ads are essentially an open invitation to come be violent for a "righteous cause", it's exactly those types of people that end up there in even larger concentrations. But make no mistake, none of this is new in any way other than the sheer scale of it.