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> You will never find a HTML6 or higher You might be right, but we don't know yet. Microsoft said that for Windows 10. You might also be right that the curren

by jraph 9mo ago

> You will never find a HTML6 or higher You might be right, but we don't know yet. Microsoft said that for Windows 10. You might also be right that the current Living Standard specification doesn't really call it HTML5, but you'll find many people writing HTML for a living say HTML5 to refer to it, and telling them that HTML5 doesn't exist doesn't really help and is a bit wrong too if you have a descriptive approach to languages.

mcny 9mo ago
I'm still hopeful. The next version of html should be able to do all the http verbs -- get, put, patch, post, delete online, reactively without having to use a form. There has to be a way to figure this out, even if it requires a transition period. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is now. These things belong in the core HTML standards, not a js library you need to include in your code. Oh that and better controls and better defaults but I guess that is something individual web browsers can implement on their own?
- jraph 9mo ago
  > that is something individual web browsers can implement on their own? Yes, they could, but you want a standard that makes them all implement stuff in a compatible way… :-)
assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
Telling them HTML5 does exist does even more harm cause it doesn't exist. Telling them it does exist is entirely wrong and is even a false statement, is misleading and causes confusion.
- jraph 9mo ago
  Ok, I'll bite. Assuming you are right and HTML5 doesn't exist. What would be the actual bad outcomes of the following? - believing HTML5 exists - silently choosing to understand what someone mentioning HTML5 obviously meant
  - assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
    I am right and I gave you the proof. Understanding what one means when mentioning HTML5 has nothing to do with technically understanding that there is no HTML5 standard.
    - jraph 9mo ago
      Let's just say that I don't think the truths you are pushing are as absolute as you seem to think, and I think they are a reflect of how you view the world more than anything. And that by correcting people that mention HTML5, you will probably just annoy people without achieving anything worth it. That would be true even if you are absolutely correct. It's peak "well, actually", with the twist it might not even actually be. That's not the truth, just my opinion, and I appreciate that you might not agree. Note that OP didn't mention "The HTML5 Standard", they mentioned "HTML5".
      - assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
        I would rather be correct and annoy people than be wrong. It's fascinating to me today to see so many people allow "good enough" over correctness. It's a disaster waiting to happen. For example, people get annoyed when I tell them not to put closing slashes on void HTML elements. They reply that it doesn't matter because it's in the standard that it's allowed so it's perfect HTML. What they don't bother to understand, despite my pointing to online documentation, is that placing closing slashes on some elements can cause harm and that no HTML standard tells you to put one there or has ever required it. Yet they argue with me anyway. Much like you argue with me about this. And that's when I stop.
        OptionOfT 9mo ago
        Can you share some of the links you'd share? I'm someone who still lives in the XHTML world and pedantically close all of my elements. Seems like I need a knowledge refresher. (and by the way, I could Google this, or any other chatbots, but I want to hear from your experience).
7bit 9mo ago
Microsoft never said that, that's a myth/common misconception
- jraph 9mo ago
  Okay, at least I haven't dreamed it: [1] > Although Microsoft claimed Windows 10 would be the last Windows version, eventually a new major release, Windows 11, was announced in 2021. Where does the misconception come from? Do you know where I could read about it? edit: it seems you are right, a dev said Windows 10 was the "last version of Windows" which was true but was interpreted as being an absolute statement when he really probably meant "at this time". Thanks for correcting me! [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows_version_hist...
  - 7bit 8mo ago
    Answering after your edit: Yes, Jerry Nixon claimed something like that (he's not just a dev though). But Microsoft never confirmed that, so it's just a statement by one person. The Wikipedia quote is problematic, because it doesn't reference any sources for their claim. Whoever the author of that paragraph, it's journalistically bad practice not providing any sources to that claim.
    - jraph 8mo ago
      Yeah, we can find quotes from various articles on the web and I did between writing my comment and my edit (I was on the phone, I didn't bother citing them here). Wikipedia articles should source everything indeed, it's not that it's bad practice, it's against the idea of Wikipedia not to.

by jraph 9mo ago

mcny 9mo ago

I'm still hopeful. The next version of html should be able to do all the http verbs -- get, put, patch, post, delete online, reactively without having to use a form. There has to be a way to figure this out, even if it requires a transition period. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is now. These things belong in the core HTML standards, not a js library you need to include in your code. Oh that and better controls and better defaults but I guess that is something individual web browsers can implement on their own?

jraph 9mo ago
> that is something individual web browsers can implement on their own? Yes, they could, but you want a standard that makes them all implement stuff in a compatible way… :-)

assimpleaspossi 9mo ago

Telling them HTML5 does exist does even more harm cause it doesn't exist. Telling them it does exist is entirely wrong and is even a false statement, is misleading and causes confusion.

jraph 9mo ago
Ok, I'll bite. Assuming you are right and HTML5 doesn't exist. What would be the actual bad outcomes of the following? - believing HTML5 exists - silently choosing to understand what someone mentioning HTML5 obviously meant
- assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
  I am right and I gave you the proof. Understanding what one means when mentioning HTML5 has nothing to do with technically understanding that there is no HTML5 standard.
  - jraph 9mo ago
    Let's just say that I don't think the truths you are pushing are as absolute as you seem to think, and I think they are a reflect of how you view the world more than anything. And that by correcting people that mention HTML5, you will probably just annoy people without achieving anything worth it. That would be true even if you are absolutely correct. It's peak "well, actually", with the twist it might not even actually be. That's not the truth, just my opinion, and I appreciate that you might not agree. Note that OP didn't mention "The HTML5 Standard", they mentioned "HTML5".
    - assimpleaspossi 9mo ago
      I would rather be correct and annoy people than be wrong. It's fascinating to me today to see so many people allow "good enough" over correctness. It's a disaster waiting to happen. For example, people get annoyed when I tell them not to put closing slashes on void HTML elements. They reply that it doesn't matter because it's in the standard that it's allowed so it's perfect HTML. What they don't bother to understand, despite my pointing to online documentation, is that placing closing slashes on some elements can cause harm and that no HTML standard tells you to put one there or has ever required it. Yet they argue with me anyway. Much like you argue with me about this. And that's when I stop.
      - OptionOfT 9mo ago
        Can you share some of the links you'd share? I'm someone who still lives in the XHTML world and pedantically close all of my elements. Seems like I need a knowledge refresher. (and by the way, I could Google this, or any other chatbots, but I want to hear from your experience).

7bit 9mo ago

Microsoft never said that, that's a myth/common misconception

jraph 9mo ago
Okay, at least I haven't dreamed it: [1] > Although Microsoft claimed Windows 10 would be the last Windows version, eventually a new major release, Windows 11, was announced in 2021. Where does the misconception come from? Do you know where I could read about it? edit: it seems you are right, a dev said Windows 10 was the "last version of Windows" which was true but was interpreted as being an absolute statement when he really probably meant "at this time". Thanks for correcting me! [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows_version_hist...
- 7bit 8mo ago
  Answering after your edit: Yes, Jerry Nixon claimed something like that (he's not just a dev though). But Microsoft never confirmed that, so it's just a statement by one person. The Wikipedia quote is problematic, because it doesn't reference any sources for their claim. Whoever the author of that paragraph, it's journalistically bad practice not providing any sources to that claim.
  - jraph 8mo ago
    Yeah, we can find quotes from various articles on the web and I did between writing my comment and my edit (I was on the phone, I didn't bother citing them here). Wikipedia articles should source everything indeed, it's not that it's bad practice, it's against the idea of Wikipedia not to.