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Maybe because it isn't particularly insightful or helpful. If you told a heroin addict this, would you expect them to be like "Oh MAN why didn't I think of that

Maybe because it isn't particularly insightful or helpful. If you told a heroin addict this, would you expect them to be like "Oh MAN why didn't I think of that?"

pluralmonad 8mo ago
But that has nothing to do with the reality that the best response is to stop doing heroin. Someone refusing to help themselves does not change that.
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  Blaming a heroin addict for not quitting heroin is not constructive. It's addictive. That's how it works. It induces chemical dependency. You wouldn't blame a gunshot victim for bleeding all over the table cloth due to the laws of fluid dynamics.
  - pluralmonad 8mo ago
    Blame is not usually constructive. However, linking cause and effect can be. If a gunshot victim pointed the gun at themselves and pulled the trigger, I'm unsure how telling them they should not do that is blaming them.
    - cindyllm 8mo ago
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- 46493168 8mo ago
  >But that has nothing to do with the reality that the best response is to stop doing heroin. This is inaccurate. The best response is medically supervised detoxification. Stopping heroin without medical supervision can cause severe dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, cardiovascular issues and aspiration pneumonia. To say nothing of the likelihood of relapse overdose. You should never, ever tell a person addicted to heroin to "just stop doing heroin" (or, to be more charitable to the original claim, "just" tell them to "stop doing heroin") and them continuing do heroin is not the same as "refusing to help themselves."
  - godelski 8mo ago
    We're talking about social media, not literally heroin. Heroin is physically addictive and you can die by going cold turkey. That's not true for social media.
  - allarm 8mo ago
    Pedantic answers like this are just depressing. For fuck’s sake, TikTok and Facebook are not heroin - just focus on that.
    - fragmede 8mo ago
      TikTok the first thing they do before having a thought of their own in the morning, and the last thing before falling asleep in bed, and all day long as well. At least heroin you run out and have to leave the house at some point. People judge you so you can't be doing heroin in public, meanwhile everyone and their mom is glued to their phone these days. You're right, it's not heroin. It's worse. Heroin's harms are mostly from the fact that it's illegal. Legalize it, make it cost a dollar for a week's worth of it, and the harms we see go away (to be replaced by other problems). Junkies mostly just want more heroin. Meanwhile, everyone's mainlining TikTok to all abandon right out in public, and no one bats an eye. People are losing jobs because they can't get off TikTok but because you can't film them and conclude they got fired from work because of it, it doesn't get the same kind of media attention.
      - allarm 8mo ago
        > You're right, it's not heroin. It's worse. Stop spreading this nonsense. You clearly don't have any idea what heroin addiction is.
- IncreasePosts 8mo ago
  The best response is to stop doing heroin over time, but that doesn't mean the best method for them doing that is saying "heroin is bad for you". Millions of people have been addicted to heroin and got off it. And I'm fairly sure about 0 of the people who got off it did so when one kind soul came up to them and said "you should stop doing heroin it's bad for you"

Maybe because it isn't particularly insightful or helpful. If you told a heroin addict this, would you expect them to be like "Oh MAN why didn't I think of that?"

pluralmonad 8mo ago

But that has nothing to do with the reality that the best response is to stop doing heroin. Someone refusing to help themselves does not change that.

direwolf20 8mo ago
Blaming a heroin addict for not quitting heroin is not constructive. It's addictive. That's how it works. It induces chemical dependency. You wouldn't blame a gunshot victim for bleeding all over the table cloth due to the laws of fluid dynamics.
- pluralmonad 8mo ago
  Blame is not usually constructive. However, linking cause and effect can be. If a gunshot victim pointed the gun at themselves and pulled the trigger, I'm unsure how telling them they should not do that is blaming them.
  - cindyllm 8mo ago
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46493168 8mo ago
>But that has nothing to do with the reality that the best response is to stop doing heroin. This is inaccurate. The best response is medically supervised detoxification. Stopping heroin without medical supervision can cause severe dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, cardiovascular issues and aspiration pneumonia. To say nothing of the likelihood of relapse overdose. You should never, ever tell a person addicted to heroin to "just stop doing heroin" (or, to be more charitable to the original claim, "just" tell them to "stop doing heroin") and them continuing do heroin is not the same as "refusing to help themselves."
- godelski 8mo ago
  We're talking about social media, not literally heroin. Heroin is physically addictive and you can die by going cold turkey. That's not true for social media.
- allarm 8mo ago
  Pedantic answers like this are just depressing. For fuck’s sake, TikTok and Facebook are not heroin - just focus on that.
  - fragmede 8mo ago
    TikTok the first thing they do before having a thought of their own in the morning, and the last thing before falling asleep in bed, and all day long as well. At least heroin you run out and have to leave the house at some point. People judge you so you can't be doing heroin in public, meanwhile everyone and their mom is glued to their phone these days. You're right, it's not heroin. It's worse. Heroin's harms are mostly from the fact that it's illegal. Legalize it, make it cost a dollar for a week's worth of it, and the harms we see go away (to be replaced by other problems). Junkies mostly just want more heroin. Meanwhile, everyone's mainlining TikTok to all abandon right out in public, and no one bats an eye. People are losing jobs because they can't get off TikTok but because you can't film them and conclude they got fired from work because of it, it doesn't get the same kind of media attention.
    - allarm 8mo ago
      > You're right, it's not heroin. It's worse. Stop spreading this nonsense. You clearly don't have any idea what heroin addiction is.
IncreasePosts 8mo ago
The best response is to stop doing heroin over time, but that doesn't mean the best method for them doing that is saying "heroin is bad for you". Millions of people have been addicted to heroin and got off it. And I'm fairly sure about 0 of the people who got off it did so when one kind soul came up to them and said "you should stop doing heroin it's bad for you"