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I looked pretty hard - I specifically don’t want an android OS called an mp3 player. I want a dedicated media player that has physical button controls (not touc

I looked pretty hard - I specifically don’t want an android OS called an mp3 player. I want a dedicated media player that has physical button controls (not touch screen), is very snappy, has a good UI, and has a purpose-built OS specific to only playing songs and podcasts, and maybe movies, which I can sync with my computer (maybe with rsync or whatever else). No apps. The only option that I could find was an iPod classic, modded with an SD card and better battery. If something else exists, especially brand new, I’d love to know! But I couldn’t find hardly anything that wasn’t just an Android phone with no cell service.

idibiks 9mo ago
This is a problem with "single-purpose" devices for kids, too. Drawing tablets, music players. They're all actually full Android phones (sans cell modem) and tablets. It sucks.
- fumar 9mo ago
  Why is android bad here? An android launcher can create the illusion of a single purpose device. What difference does it make? Battery life?
  - idibiks 9mo ago
    They can do too much stuff, so it’s yet another do-anything device to have to police.
    - hokumguru 9mo ago
      So install a dumbed down launcher and put it in kiosk mode? Thatll lock things down pretty heavily.
      - rini17 9mo ago
        That's exactly the policing.
  - ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
    It represents a general purpose computer on your network which will accumulate vulnerabilities and never be patched or otherwise secured, making it a persistent insider threat as a launchpad for attacks on your network
  - medstrom 9mo ago
    The issue isn't really Android, it's the touchscreen and the way the UX is a regression from many analog single-purpose devices. If you gonna have a single-purpose device - make it analog (or close to analog)! Don't give it a perceptible boot-time and all the other flaws that come with general-purpose computing. Don't make the user have to "wake up the device", let alone have to visually confirm that it is woken-up, before they can switch to the next song.
kenhwang 9mo ago
Not sure why you want to have purpose-built OS as the hill to die on since many of those Android-based mp3 players absolutely outclass the old iPod classics in snappiness and compatibility and output quality. Plenty of choices that meet your other criteria once you're OK with it being Android powered. Like a SnowSky is very obviously stripped down Android that can only run the music app it's shipped with, but it's otherwise everything you want.
- cosmic_cheese 9mo ago
  Only speaking for myself, but the problem with Android is that it and the hardware needed to make it run acceptably are absurd overkill for the use case, which drives up cost, cuts down on battery life, and adds a layer of unnecessary complexity (suddenly you need to think about what player app to use, for example). Basically part of the charm of a single-purpose device is that it can be built to serve it purpose ridiculously well and do nothing else, and the second general purpose software enters the picture much of that is lost.
  - kenhwang 9mo ago
    The endless amount of Chinese Android-based single purpose mp3 player devices that are obviously iPod Nano/Classic clones basically cost ~$30 and have 50hr+ of battery life. You don't have to think about what player app to use, they ship with the only one that runs. The rest of the Androidness is stripped out. Then yes, there's obviously the other end of the extreme where the mp3 player is very obviously a phone without a radio with a price tag to match. And everything in-between. I'd say there's actually too many choices cause the silicon and battery cost required to simply play music has gotten so cheap that it doesn't make sense to optimize the OS further than Android. I'm sure the economics of scale means the actual hardware wouldn't be cheaper by any noticeable amount either.
  - Aurornis 9mo ago
    > Only speaking for myself, but the problem with Android is that it and the hardware needed to make it run acceptably are absurd overkill for the use case, which drives up cost, cuts down on battery life, and adds a layer of unnecessary complexity (suddenly you need to think about what player app to use, for example). The battery life is fine on modern DAPs. Excellent, even. I understand why an engineer would want a completely application specific, built-from-scratch OS that does one thing perfectly, but that's a pipe dream for a niche market. A powerful and efficient SoC that runs Android is ultra-cheap these days. Less than $1. Hiring an engineering team to write and maintain a custom OS for a niche product would incur so much R&D cost that it would wipe out any money you'd save by using a smaller microcontroller and drive the final cost up. Just think: How much salary would you have to pay a team of engineers to write the custom OS and maintain it? If you could optimistically sell 500,000 of these devices (good luck) then how much would you have to save in order to pay for the R&D?
mwpmaybe 9mo ago
Yes, I want these for my kids so very badly. They have Yotos (similar to Tonie) for bedtime, and iPads for school work, but those are not ideal for a number of reasons. I want them to be able to experience music like I was able to with an FM+cassette walkman clone in the '80s and early '90s, or with my Nomads and iPods in the late '90s and early aughts. Hopefully someone here can suggest something! ETA: OK, there are quite a few highly-rated options on Amazon, so I just need to solve the "putting music on there" problem and the "dropping it and immediately destroying it problem".
- conception 9mo ago
  We have a couple of https://bemighty.com https://bemighty.com which work great for the kiddos. Effectively an ipod shuffle.
  - AndrewKemendo 9mo ago
    Same Works great. The whole Spotify 30 day refresh requirement is bullshit but there’s really nothing that isn’t without some flaw
cosmic_cheese 9mo ago
I can't vouch for it personally since I don't own one, but I saw a video on YouTube mentioning the Innioasis Y1[0], which supposedly does a decent job of replicating the iPod experience with some modern features like USB-C and Bluetooth at a decent price. Can be flashed with RockBox. No external SD slot, but it can be opened to swap out the SD card it comes with. Reportedly doesn't feel nearly as nice in hand as a real iPod does but that's pretty standard at this price point. [0]: https://www.innioasis.com/products/y1 https://www.innioasis.com/products/y1
- andai 9mo ago
  Damn this looks great. I'd guess the main difference in feel is the weight. iPod classic was about 2-3x heavier, which seems to be the main factor in premium feel. (Well, that and the metal body.)
- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  Bought off your recommendation for my kids to replace their Yotos [1], thank you! [1] https://us.yotoplay.com/ https://us.yotoplay.com/
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Aurornis 9mo ago
> I looked pretty hard - I specifically don’t want an android OS called an mp3 player. I want a dedicated media player that has physical button controls (not touch screen), is very snappy, has a good UI, and has a purpose-built OS There are a lot of DAPs in this style. They're just not popular because the Android-based units are perfectly fine and don't feel like Android phones with an MP3 player app installed. Most buyers don't have arbitrary OS requirements, they just want a device that works well. I'd start by looking at the Rockbox compatible devices list: https://www.rockbox.org/ https://www.rockbox.org/
- Retric 9mo ago
  They likely want to use the device without looking at it, thus the requirement is physical buttons not a specific OS. It’s the same issue with touch screens in cars. Anything that’s a touchscreen simply fails a core MP3 player requirement for many people.
  - saulpw 9mo ago
    Yup. I want to be able to use it to listen to music, start/stop/pause/skip/volume while I'm at the dentist.
    - Tallain 9mo ago
      I think Fiio and Hiby are the closest that exist today. They have dedicated hardware and physical buttons for the things listed in your comment. However, they do still ship with a custom Android OS and you need the touch screen to navigate your library and such. On the upside, this lets you choose your media library app. On the downside, it still isn't as good as the touch wheel on old iPods. I, too, am waiting for something like this to return. The Hiby is good enough until then for me.
      - blep-arsh 9mo ago
        Shanling uses a custom OS although it feels very primitive compared to iPods (e.g. the iPod Nano had VoiceOver for touch navigation). So I'm not really a fan of these dedicated single-function players; modern media player apps can be fast and convenient (more so than a clickwheel, honestly), and Android devices can still have dedicated control buttons. If only these devices weren't so bulky...
RGamma 9mo ago
Have you looked at Rockbox?
- matheusmoreira 9mo ago
  That brought back memories... Used to daily drive Rockbox on my old 80 GB iPod decades ago. Got a lot of use out of the FLAC support. Latest project updates are dated 2025. Blows my mind that this project is still alive. Feels oddly out of place in today's computer industry where chips are locked down to prevent projects like these from existing.
  - RGamma 9mo ago
    All the more reason to keep it alive, no?
- nehal3m 9mo ago
  I have a Fiio M3K with Rockbox, it's great. My demands are not high though; I just want something light that I can put in my pocket, which shuffles a bunch of lofi music. It helps me tune my monkey brain out.
bloomingeek 9mo ago
Not sure if this would fit the bill for you, but I really like it: 96GB Mp3 Player with Bluetooth 5.0 - Aiworth Portable Digital Lossless Music MP3 MP4 Player for Kids with FM Radio HD Speaker for Sports Running Super Light Metal Shell Touch Buttons (Actual Amazon description) The "touch screen" is only for moving around the menu. The menu is easy to remember. Sound quality is really good and it takes a mini SD card. Right now, $40.
NetOpWibby 9mo ago
Pretty sure I know what music player you're talking about because I have the same requirement. Sony's modern Walkman is an Android device. No thanks.
- hokumguru 9mo ago
  For what it’s worth I love mine. I have app pinning enabled in android so it’s completely locked to just my music app. Feels like a great compromise of customizability while also feeling like an all in one device
kikoreis 9mo ago
Swofy makes a little media player that has physical buttons; the crowd here at home really likes them: https://a.co/d/9icRCCs https://a.co/d/9icRCCs
nonethewiser 9mo ago
here you go: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FPQZR6XJ/?coliid=IVRLIWZTTAHHK&colid=1LX5CFBY4VFL1&psc=0&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FPQZR6XJ/?coliid=IVRLIWZTTAHHK&c...
- pastel8739 9mo ago
  “Currently unavailable”…
xethos 9mo ago
No promises, but a Tangera might actually be what you failed to find. Fair enough for that too, as they're not exactly mainstream https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara
- whilenot-dev 9mo ago
  "No Longer Available - 1,290 claimed", unfortunately.
  - xethos 9mo ago
    Well that's a shame - I'd thought they'd continue to be available, but apparently not. I hadn't even noticed the banner, sorry
emodendroket 9mo ago
How hard did you look? You can type "MP3 Player" into an Amazon search box (and I'm sure Aliexpress and other competitors) and find many devices that are exactly what you say you want.
- boxofficebads 9mo ago
  So i may install "Rockbox" again (yes - that was an upgrade), on an Kinese express-device? But, but, but...that may sound offending -sry, just for a moment i thought, "you were missing the topic completly" so... my 2 cents OT.... Platforms, globally synchronized making the Uniform, and bland? (Reads:) "Monitored, connected beds. Antitrust pressure seem slowed" "A Timex ad went viral this year: 'Know the time without seeing you have 1249 unanswered emails.'" An Opinon-Refusal-Portal; the 'Wise people Of Gotham"-Citizen-Advice-Agency, the 120%-Normality, the Blue-Milk-Canal-Logic (Kishon) I like watches cos, there once was a time, machines got that big and heavy, that wind-like waterpowered-energy couldn't make them start, nor keep them go, and therefore a 'need' of steam-engines... "Cos nostalgia revealed a massive, underserved Service-economy-demand." so... ? Random thoughts, not? (-;
domh 9mo ago
I've been tentatively eyeing up this which I think meets all of your requirements: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008384398058.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008384398058.html
c9lgPZqHNGdC1V1 9mo ago
This is my time to shine. I never stopped using dedicated mp3-players. After my trusty Philips Gogears died and became unavailable for purchase, I settled on Ruizu branded mp3-players. The Ruizu X02[1] is an absolute baller, cheap as hell, trustworthy and limited to the basic functionality you would expect from an mp3-player (music, movies, radio, pictures). You put stuff on it via USB + drag-and-drop just like the ol' days. Damn trustworthy too I had one soaked in water for 15 minutes - flinging it was like using a water pistol. Did it die? Pfft, this is a Ruizu we're talking about. Only thing that can destroy these are weights in the gym and even then they still play music: 'I have no light but I must play' style. No biggie, new one is 20-30 euro's it's like I'm robbing them [1] https://www.amazon.com/RUIZU-X02-Recorder-Playback-Expandable/dp/B073R7ZHVC https://www.amazon.com/RUIZU-X02-Recorder-Playback-Expandabl...
ABoredBirb 9mo ago
Have you looked at Cowon? These are somewhat premium end players, but they are absolutely great. Their Cowon J3 was legendary, was declared the best mp3 player of all time by some outlets. I'm currently using a Cowon Plenue D2, which is also really good.

idibiks 9mo ago

This is a problem with "single-purpose" devices for kids, too. Drawing tablets, music players. They're all actually full Android phones (sans cell modem) and tablets. It sucks.

fumar 9mo ago
Why is android bad here? An android launcher can create the illusion of a single purpose device. What difference does it make? Battery life?
- idibiks 9mo ago
  They can do too much stuff, so it’s yet another do-anything device to have to police.
  - hokumguru 9mo ago
    So install a dumbed down launcher and put it in kiosk mode? Thatll lock things down pretty heavily.
    - rini17 9mo ago
      That's exactly the policing.
- ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
  It represents a general purpose computer on your network which will accumulate vulnerabilities and never be patched or otherwise secured, making it a persistent insider threat as a launchpad for attacks on your network
- medstrom 9mo ago
  The issue isn't really Android, it's the touchscreen and the way the UX is a regression from many analog single-purpose devices. If you gonna have a single-purpose device - make it analog (or close to analog)! Don't give it a perceptible boot-time and all the other flaws that come with general-purpose computing. Don't make the user have to "wake up the device", let alone have to visually confirm that it is woken-up, before they can switch to the next song.

kenhwang 9mo ago

Not sure why you want to have purpose-built OS as the hill to die on since many of those Android-based mp3 players absolutely outclass the old iPod classics in snappiness and compatibility and output quality. Plenty of choices that meet your other criteria once you're OK with it being Android powered. Like a SnowSky is very obviously stripped down Android that can only run the music app it's shipped with, but it's otherwise everything you want.

cosmic_cheese 9mo ago
Only speaking for myself, but the problem with Android is that it and the hardware needed to make it run acceptably are absurd overkill for the use case, which drives up cost, cuts down on battery life, and adds a layer of unnecessary complexity (suddenly you need to think about what player app to use, for example). Basically part of the charm of a single-purpose device is that it can be built to serve it purpose ridiculously well and do nothing else, and the second general purpose software enters the picture much of that is lost.
- kenhwang 9mo ago
  The endless amount of Chinese Android-based single purpose mp3 player devices that are obviously iPod Nano/Classic clones basically cost ~$30 and have 50hr+ of battery life. You don't have to think about what player app to use, they ship with the only one that runs. The rest of the Androidness is stripped out. Then yes, there's obviously the other end of the extreme where the mp3 player is very obviously a phone without a radio with a price tag to match. And everything in-between. I'd say there's actually too many choices cause the silicon and battery cost required to simply play music has gotten so cheap that it doesn't make sense to optimize the OS further than Android. I'm sure the economics of scale means the actual hardware wouldn't be cheaper by any noticeable amount either.
- Aurornis 9mo ago
  > Only speaking for myself, but the problem with Android is that it and the hardware needed to make it run acceptably are absurd overkill for the use case, which drives up cost, cuts down on battery life, and adds a layer of unnecessary complexity (suddenly you need to think about what player app to use, for example). The battery life is fine on modern DAPs. Excellent, even. I understand why an engineer would want a completely application specific, built-from-scratch OS that does one thing perfectly, but that's a pipe dream for a niche market. A powerful and efficient SoC that runs Android is ultra-cheap these days. Less than $1. Hiring an engineering team to write and maintain a custom OS for a niche product would incur so much R&D cost that it would wipe out any money you'd save by using a smaller microcontroller and drive the final cost up. Just think: How much salary would you have to pay a team of engineers to write the custom OS and maintain it? If you could optimistically sell 500,000 of these devices (good luck) then how much would you have to save in order to pay for the R&D?

mwpmaybe 9mo ago

Yes, I want these for my kids so very badly. They have Yotos (similar to Tonie) for bedtime, and iPads for school work, but those are not ideal for a number of reasons. I want them to be able to experience music like I was able to with an FM+cassette walkman clone in the '80s and early '90s, or with my Nomads and iPods in the late '90s and early aughts. Hopefully someone here can suggest something! ETA: OK, there are quite a few highly-rated options on Amazon, so I just need to solve the "putting music on there" problem and the "dropping it and immediately destroying it problem".

conception 9mo ago
We have a couple of https://bemighty.com https://bemighty.com which work great for the kiddos. Effectively an ipod shuffle.
- AndrewKemendo 9mo ago
  Same Works great. The whole Spotify 30 day refresh requirement is bullshit but there’s really nothing that isn’t without some flaw

cosmic_cheese 9mo ago

I can't vouch for it personally since I don't own one, but I saw a video on YouTube mentioning the Innioasis Y1[0], which supposedly does a decent job of replicating the iPod experience with some modern features like USB-C and Bluetooth at a decent price. Can be flashed with RockBox. No external SD slot, but it can be opened to swap out the SD card it comes with. Reportedly doesn't feel nearly as nice in hand as a real iPod does but that's pretty standard at this price point. [0]: https://www.innioasis.com/products/y1 https://www.innioasis.com/products/y1

andai 9mo ago
Damn this looks great. I'd guess the main difference in feel is the weight. iPod classic was about 2-3x heavier, which seems to be the main factor in premium feel. (Well, that and the metal body.)
toomuchtodo 9mo ago
Bought off your recommendation for my kids to replace their Yotos [1], thank you! [1] https://us.yotoplay.com/ https://us.yotoplay.com/

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Aurornis 9mo ago

> I looked pretty hard - I specifically don’t want an android OS called an mp3 player. I want a dedicated media player that has physical button controls (not touch screen), is very snappy, has a good UI, and has a purpose-built OS There are a lot of DAPs in this style. They're just not popular because the Android-based units are perfectly fine and don't feel like Android phones with an MP3 player app installed. Most buyers don't have arbitrary OS requirements, they just want a device that works well. I'd start by looking at the Rockbox compatible devices list: https://www.rockbox.org/ https://www.rockbox.org/

Retric 9mo ago
They likely want to use the device without looking at it, thus the requirement is physical buttons not a specific OS. It’s the same issue with touch screens in cars. Anything that’s a touchscreen simply fails a core MP3 player requirement for many people.
- saulpw 9mo ago
  Yup. I want to be able to use it to listen to music, start/stop/pause/skip/volume while I'm at the dentist.
  - Tallain 9mo ago
    I think Fiio and Hiby are the closest that exist today. They have dedicated hardware and physical buttons for the things listed in your comment. However, they do still ship with a custom Android OS and you need the touch screen to navigate your library and such. On the upside, this lets you choose your media library app. On the downside, it still isn't as good as the touch wheel on old iPods. I, too, am waiting for something like this to return. The Hiby is good enough until then for me.
    - blep-arsh 9mo ago
      Shanling uses a custom OS although it feels very primitive compared to iPods (e.g. the iPod Nano had VoiceOver for touch navigation). So I'm not really a fan of these dedicated single-function players; modern media player apps can be fast and convenient (more so than a clickwheel, honestly), and Android devices can still have dedicated control buttons. If only these devices weren't so bulky...

RGamma 9mo ago

Have you looked at Rockbox?

matheusmoreira 9mo ago
That brought back memories... Used to daily drive Rockbox on my old 80 GB iPod decades ago. Got a lot of use out of the FLAC support. Latest project updates are dated 2025. Blows my mind that this project is still alive. Feels oddly out of place in today's computer industry where chips are locked down to prevent projects like these from existing.
- RGamma 9mo ago
  All the more reason to keep it alive, no?
nehal3m 9mo ago
I have a Fiio M3K with Rockbox, it's great. My demands are not high though; I just want something light that I can put in my pocket, which shuffles a bunch of lofi music. It helps me tune my monkey brain out.

bloomingeek 9mo ago

Not sure if this would fit the bill for you, but I really like it: 96GB Mp3 Player with Bluetooth 5.0 - Aiworth Portable Digital Lossless Music MP3 MP4 Player for Kids with FM Radio HD Speaker for Sports Running Super Light Metal Shell Touch Buttons (Actual Amazon description) The "touch screen" is only for moving around the menu. The menu is easy to remember. Sound quality is really good and it takes a mini SD card. Right now, $40.

NetOpWibby 9mo ago

Pretty sure I know what music player you're talking about because I have the same requirement. Sony's modern Walkman is an Android device. No thanks.

hokumguru 9mo ago
For what it’s worth I love mine. I have app pinning enabled in android so it’s completely locked to just my music app. Feels like a great compromise of customizability while also feeling like an all in one device

kikoreis 9mo ago

Swofy makes a little media player that has physical buttons; the crowd here at home really likes them: https://a.co/d/9icRCCs https://a.co/d/9icRCCs

nonethewiser 9mo ago

here you go: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FPQZR6XJ/?coliid=IVRLIWZTTAHHK&colid=1LX5CFBY4VFL1&psc=0&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FPQZR6XJ/?coliid=IVRLIWZTTAHHK&c...

pastel8739 9mo ago
“Currently unavailable”…

xethos 9mo ago

No promises, but a Tangera might actually be what you failed to find. Fair enough for that too, as they're not exactly mainstream https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara

whilenot-dev 9mo ago
"No Longer Available - 1,290 claimed", unfortunately.
- xethos 9mo ago
  Well that's a shame - I'd thought they'd continue to be available, but apparently not. I hadn't even noticed the banner, sorry

emodendroket 9mo ago

How hard did you look? You can type "MP3 Player" into an Amazon search box (and I'm sure Aliexpress and other competitors) and find many devices that are exactly what you say you want.

boxofficebads 9mo ago
So i may install "Rockbox" again (yes - that was an upgrade), on an Kinese express-device? But, but, but...that may sound offending -sry, just for a moment i thought, "you were missing the topic completly" so... my 2 cents OT.... Platforms, globally synchronized making the Uniform, and bland? (Reads:) "Monitored, connected beds. Antitrust pressure seem slowed" "A Timex ad went viral this year: 'Know the time without seeing you have 1249 unanswered emails.'" An Opinon-Refusal-Portal; the 'Wise people Of Gotham"-Citizen-Advice-Agency, the 120%-Normality, the Blue-Milk-Canal-Logic (Kishon) I like watches cos, there once was a time, machines got that big and heavy, that wind-like waterpowered-energy couldn't make them start, nor keep them go, and therefore a 'need' of steam-engines... "Cos nostalgia revealed a massive, underserved Service-economy-demand." so... ? Random thoughts, not? (-;

domh 9mo ago

I've been tentatively eyeing up this which I think meets all of your requirements: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008384398058.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008384398058.html

c9lgPZqHNGdC1V1 9mo ago

This is my time to shine. I never stopped using dedicated mp3-players. After my trusty Philips Gogears died and became unavailable for purchase, I settled on Ruizu branded mp3-players. The Ruizu X02[1] is an absolute baller, cheap as hell, trustworthy and limited to the basic functionality you would expect from an mp3-player (music, movies, radio, pictures). You put stuff on it via USB + drag-and-drop just like the ol' days. Damn trustworthy too I had one soaked in water for 15 minutes - flinging it was like using a water pistol. Did it die? Pfft, this is a Ruizu we're talking about. Only thing that can destroy these are weights in the gym and even then they still play music: 'I have no light but I must play' style. No biggie, new one is 20-30 euro's it's like I'm robbing them [1] https://www.amazon.com/RUIZU-X02-Recorder-Playback-Expandable/dp/B073R7ZHVC https://www.amazon.com/RUIZU-X02-Recorder-Playback-Expandabl...

ABoredBirb 9mo ago

Have you looked at Cowon? These are somewhat premium end players, but they are absolutely great. Their Cowon J3 was legendary, was declared the best mp3 player of all time by some outlets. I'm currently using a Cowon Plenue D2, which is also really good.