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You know you can just buy it?

by hermanzegerman 9mo ago

greenpresident 9mo ago
It’s built in. There is a dedicated button for it. Hard to justify imho.
b40d-48b2-979e 9mo ago
They already bought the car.
- whynotmaybe 9mo ago
  I'm wondering whether it's a generational vision and that the concept of ownership of software with hardware is slowly becoming obsolete. Every young adult I know uses a subscription for everything I used to buy. Even though they own the device on which they consume it. Spotify for cd's, Netflix-Disney-Amazon for vhs and dvd's, Udemy-Masterclass for books.
  - tzs 9mo ago
    CDs were around $16 in 2000, which is equivalent to around $30 today, which is around 2.3 times what a Spotify premium subscription costs for one person. Equivalently, a Spotify premium subscription in 2000 would be a little under $7. I guarantee that if you asked young adults in 2000 if they would be interested in a subscription that lets them listen to nearly everything available on CD, at any time, as often as they wished, for $7/month they would have been ecstatic. Same for DVDs, which were typically in the $20-25 range for new releases in 2000. They would not have been quite as happy as they would have been with Spotify because of the way video is split among several streaming services, but it would still be seen as a tremendous improvement.
- hermanzegerman 9mo ago
  Yes, despite knowing that it's not included. It's like hitting yourself and complaining afterwards about it
GoatInGrey 9mo ago
In this case, they bought and currently own the sensors and hardware that the ML model is stored on. Moreover, the software runs locally. It's a silly example, but you can think of it as buying a house and the ceiling lights requiring a subscription to turn on. As an aside, I wonder how long this can keep up before it begins affecting laws around theft and property damage if the person operating, storing, insuring, and maintaining the physical objects don't contractually own them. Is Mercedes a victim if the LKAS camera gets damaged or stolen, rather than you?
- hermanzegerman 9mo ago
  I mean they surely knew this before they bought their car and bought it anyway. So I don't get the complaint Are you sure they bought the ML Models? The Hardware is inside because it's required for the emergency lane keeping, but I wouldn't be surprised if the OEMs would have a deal with the supplier where they are paid more if this feature gets enabled
Banditoz 9mo ago
You're missing the point.

You know you can just buy it?

greenpresident 9mo ago

It’s built in. There is a dedicated button for it. Hard to justify imho.

b40d-48b2-979e 9mo ago

They already bought the car.

whynotmaybe 9mo ago
I'm wondering whether it's a generational vision and that the concept of ownership of software with hardware is slowly becoming obsolete. Every young adult I know uses a subscription for everything I used to buy. Even though they own the device on which they consume it. Spotify for cd's, Netflix-Disney-Amazon for vhs and dvd's, Udemy-Masterclass for books.
- tzs 9mo ago
  CDs were around $16 in 2000, which is equivalent to around $30 today, which is around 2.3 times what a Spotify premium subscription costs for one person. Equivalently, a Spotify premium subscription in 2000 would be a little under $7. I guarantee that if you asked young adults in 2000 if they would be interested in a subscription that lets them listen to nearly everything available on CD, at any time, as often as they wished, for $7/month they would have been ecstatic. Same for DVDs, which were typically in the $20-25 range for new releases in 2000. They would not have been quite as happy as they would have been with Spotify because of the way video is split among several streaming services, but it would still be seen as a tremendous improvement.
hermanzegerman 9mo ago
Yes, despite knowing that it's not included. It's like hitting yourself and complaining afterwards about it

GoatInGrey 9mo ago

In this case, they bought and currently own the sensors and hardware that the ML model is stored on. Moreover, the software runs locally. It's a silly example, but you can think of it as buying a house and the ceiling lights requiring a subscription to turn on. As an aside, I wonder how long this can keep up before it begins affecting laws around theft and property damage if the person operating, storing, insuring, and maintaining the physical objects don't contractually own them. Is Mercedes a victim if the LKAS camera gets damaged or stolen, rather than you?

hermanzegerman 9mo ago
I mean they surely knew this before they bought their car and bought it anyway. So I don't get the complaint Are you sure they bought the ML Models? The Hardware is inside because it's required for the emergency lane keeping, but I wouldn't be surprised if the OEMs would have a deal with the supplier where they are paid more if this feature gets enabled

Banditoz 9mo ago

You're missing the point.