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You all did know that the idea of a Microsoft account was a security & privacy compromise from day zero of its conception, right?

jqpabc123 9mo ago
Yes; and none of my computers have one. Contrary to popular myth, it is relatively easy to install Win11 Pro without one.
- josephcsible 9mo ago
  A constant cat-and-mouse game of Microsoft disabling every method to do so as soon as they become somewhat popular is not "relatively easy".
  - jqpabc123 9mo ago
    Really? I haven't had any problems, even with computers that don't meet the official hardware requirements. Download the Win11 Pro ISO, extract it to a USB drive and then execute the command below from it for a totally automated install that bypasses all the BS. .\setup.exe /product server /auto upgrade /EULA accept /migratedrivers all /ShowOOBE none /Compat IgnoreWarning /Telemetry Disable You're welcome! PS: I know it says "server" but when upgrading a desktop machine, desktop is what you will get --- minus a lot of BS.
    - josephcsible 9mo ago
      I believe you that that way works today, but once knowledge of it starts to spread, I expect Microsoft to break it, just like they previously broke Shift+F10 "oobe\bypassnro" and "start ms-cxh:localonly".
      - jqpabc123 9mo ago
        It has worked all along and MS can't break it because I have the ISO that it works with. It's unlikely it can be broken without totally abandoning the server market and disrupting a lot of existing installations --- which would be a marketing disaster.
      - alt227 8mo ago
        There will always be a way to create local accounts in Windows because they are intrinsic to how windows actually works.
        josephcsible 8mo ago
        There may always be a way, but every few months the existing way will stop working and people will need to discover a new way.
        alt227 8mo ago
        Thats exactly my point, they will keep closing loopholes but they will never truly stop people doing it without removing local accounts completely, which they cant do.
jmclnx 9mo ago
Well I would say this should be true for most people here. I expect the same for Apple too. The big question is, when will these keys hit the wild ? Since they exist, eventually they will get out there. We all know, if you want real security, there are much better OSs.
- dagmx 9mo ago
  Why would you expect Apple to have the keys? They famously fought the FBI on the grounds of not having access to the keys themselves. Good engineering practices say that you shouldn’t even find yourself in the position of having the keys. And what “better OS” pushes you to encrypted drives on setup? Most Linux distros don’t.

jqpabc123 9mo ago

Yes; and none of my computers have one. Contrary to popular myth, it is relatively easy to install Win11 Pro without one.

josephcsible 9mo ago
A constant cat-and-mouse game of Microsoft disabling every method to do so as soon as they become somewhat popular is not "relatively easy".
- jqpabc123 9mo ago
  Really? I haven't had any problems, even with computers that don't meet the official hardware requirements. Download the Win11 Pro ISO, extract it to a USB drive and then execute the command below from it for a totally automated install that bypasses all the BS. .\setup.exe /product server /auto upgrade /EULA accept /migratedrivers all /ShowOOBE none /Compat IgnoreWarning /Telemetry Disable You're welcome! PS: I know it says "server" but when upgrading a desktop machine, desktop is what you will get --- minus a lot of BS.
  - josephcsible 9mo ago
    I believe you that that way works today, but once knowledge of it starts to spread, I expect Microsoft to break it, just like they previously broke Shift+F10 "oobe\bypassnro" and "start ms-cxh:localonly".
    - jqpabc123 9mo ago
      It has worked all along and MS can't break it because I have the ISO that it works with. It's unlikely it can be broken without totally abandoning the server market and disrupting a lot of existing installations --- which would be a marketing disaster.
    - alt227 8mo ago
      There will always be a way to create local accounts in Windows because they are intrinsic to how windows actually works.
      - josephcsible 8mo ago
        There may always be a way, but every few months the existing way will stop working and people will need to discover a new way.
        alt227 8mo ago
        Thats exactly my point, they will keep closing loopholes but they will never truly stop people doing it without removing local accounts completely, which they cant do.

jmclnx 9mo ago

Well I would say this should be true for most people here. I expect the same for Apple too. The big question is, when will these keys hit the wild ? Since they exist, eventually they will get out there. We all know, if you want real security, there are much better OSs.

dagmx 9mo ago
Why would you expect Apple to have the keys? They famously fought the FBI on the grounds of not having access to the keys themselves. Good engineering practices say that you shouldn’t even find yourself in the position of having the keys. And what “better OS” pushes you to encrypted drives on setup? Most Linux distros don’t.