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I don't expect to see much difference in my day-to-day browsing, I can barely remember the last time I encountered a Java applet - most of the time I see them t

I don't expect to see much difference in my day-to-day browsing, I can barely remember the last time I encountered a Java applet - most of the time I see them they are some sort of unimportant and old technology demo. However, I'm of the understanding that in Europe, a lot of bank websites use Java applets as their primary way to do online banking, in which case I can see this decision affecting a lot of people.

JulianWasTaken 14y ago
There just is an infinite list of things wrong with bank websites aren't there.
cfinke 14y ago
I can barely remember the last time I encountered a Java applet The very-popular SmartSource coupon website uses Java to enable users to print coupons. That's the only thing my household has needed Java for in the last year, but it's high priority for my wife.
- chris_wot 14y ago
  I recommend downloading and installing the Java plugin yourself then :-)
mortenjorck 14y ago
Maybe after enough thousands of WebExes get delayed another 15 minutes each, Cisco will take this as a sign. (WebEx has a totally pointless Java applet that only serves to launch the native client app.)
- lloeki 14y ago
  On the IE side they do this with ActiveX. I always wondered why they did not come up with a simple webex:// uri.
nivla 14y ago
Interestingly time.gov/ still requires an applet to run. I often find schools and test centers using them because of its accuracy. Wonder why they still haven't switched to javascript yet, maybe "if it ain't broke, don't fix" mindset.
- disgruntledphd2 14y ago
  Timing in javascript is pretty poor. The best accuracy you can get is around 0.5 seconds. Given that many tests and testing sites (and psychological instruments, which is why I know) require millisecond (+-10) accuracy, Java is the best tool for this job. Its a sad day for me, this change, even though we fall back to JS the timing simply is not as accurate. This may change with localstorage and access to system API's, but its not there yet.
  - Zr40 14y ago
    http://time.is/ http://time.is/ claims to get ±0.011 second accuracy for me, and it appears to use JavaScript.
    - disgruntledphd2 14y ago
      Yes, but it does this by synchronising with an atomic clock from a server. I would want (do want, actually) to be able to run a js file on the browser of a participant and get accurate timing down to perhaps 50 milliseconds. The joy of java is the applet downloads, makes the timings on the local computer and then sends the results back over the server. Involving the network during the process makes it somewhat unreliable.
myspy 14y ago
I haven't seen any Java applets among Deutsche Bank, Sparkasse, Raiffeisenbank. And I haven't seen a Java applet for months. A concert ticket seller had one for seat placement. I also did not install Flash for Safari, it's a little annoying when you encounter videos, but for that I change into Chrome. A little Safari extention helps to activate html5 videos from youtube and they run smoother than the Flash versions.

JulianWasTaken 14y ago

There just is an infinite list of things wrong with bank websites aren't there.

cfinke 14y ago

I can barely remember the last time I encountered a Java applet The very-popular SmartSource coupon website uses Java to enable users to print coupons. That's the only thing my household has needed Java for in the last year, but it's high priority for my wife.

chris_wot 14y ago
I recommend downloading and installing the Java plugin yourself then :-)

mortenjorck 14y ago

Maybe after enough thousands of WebExes get delayed another 15 minutes each, Cisco will take this as a sign. (WebEx has a totally pointless Java applet that only serves to launch the native client app.)

lloeki 14y ago
On the IE side they do this with ActiveX. I always wondered why they did not come up with a simple webex:// uri.

nivla 14y ago

Interestingly time.gov/ still requires an applet to run. I often find schools and test centers using them because of its accuracy. Wonder why they still haven't switched to javascript yet, maybe "if it ain't broke, don't fix" mindset.

disgruntledphd2 14y ago
Timing in javascript is pretty poor. The best accuracy you can get is around 0.5 seconds. Given that many tests and testing sites (and psychological instruments, which is why I know) require millisecond (+-10) accuracy, Java is the best tool for this job. Its a sad day for me, this change, even though we fall back to JS the timing simply is not as accurate. This may change with localstorage and access to system API's, but its not there yet.
- Zr40 14y ago
  http://time.is/ http://time.is/ claims to get ±0.011 second accuracy for me, and it appears to use JavaScript.
  - disgruntledphd2 14y ago
    Yes, but it does this by synchronising with an atomic clock from a server. I would want (do want, actually) to be able to run a js file on the browser of a participant and get accurate timing down to perhaps 50 milliseconds. The joy of java is the applet downloads, makes the timings on the local computer and then sends the results back over the server. Involving the network during the process makes it somewhat unreliable.

myspy 14y ago

I haven't seen any Java applets among Deutsche Bank, Sparkasse, Raiffeisenbank. And I haven't seen a Java applet for months. A concert ticket seller had one for seat placement. I also did not install Flash for Safari, it's a little annoying when you encounter videos, but for that I change into Chrome. A little Safari extention helps to activate html5 videos from youtube and they run smoother than the Flash versions.