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Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"
- wolvoleo 9mo agoI find copilot in office deeply underwhelming. Considering how much Microsoft evangelises it. I wouldn't pay the 30$ a month personally.
- vdupras 9mo agoIt seems like quite a qualitative jump in consensus. Wasn't the previous consensus "you're using it wrong"?
- jsheard 9mo agoThis still reads as "you're using it wrong" to me. Nadella's position is that AI spending would easily justify itself if only the plebs would use it as much as he thinks they should. If only the common man could see the prophetic vision of a coked out tech executive.
- tony-vlcek 9mo ago> We will quickly lose even the social permission to take something like energy [...] A way to drum up sense of urgency without mentioning that it's the patience of the investors (and _not_ the public) that will be the limiting factor here?
- marcyb5st 9mo agoSimilar to my thoughts. If we are still scrambling to find stuff the average Joe finds useful, the 100s of Billions poured into this gold rush are wasted (IMHO).
- fuzzfactor 9mo agoIdeally, zillions of consumers have been languishing for years and when the time is right they're all collectively chomping at the bit when a new highly-affordable technology comes along that they just can't get enough of. This isn't one of those times.
- Spooky23 9mo agoPeople said the same thing 30 years ago about the internet. I’m spending $400/mo on AI subscriptions at this point. Probably the best money I spend.
- malfist 9mo agoAnd the people who bought a lot of shovels during the gold rush thought they were making the smartest money move
- red-iron-pine 9mo agosome of them did make it big, and towns and building are named after them but lots of folks were broke as hell and miserable
- m4rtink 9mo agoor dead
- Spooky23 9mo agoDude, I'm getting a shovel factory for practically nothing. I'm easily realizing 5x value on that investment. I'd say for an estate that I am the executor of, it probably saved me $50k in legal fees and other expenses because it helped me analyze a novel problem and organize it ask the right questions of counsel. Another scenario i had to deal with i needed a mobile app to do something very specific for a few weeks. I specced out a very narrowly useful iphone application, built it out on the train from DC to NYC, and had it working to my satisfaction the next day. Is it production code ready for primetime? Absolutely not. But I got capability to do what I needed super quickly that my skill level is no longer up to the task to accomplish! IMO, these things let you make power tools, but your ability to get value is capped by your ability to ask the right questions. In the enterprise, they are going to kill lots of stupid legacy software that doesn't add alot of value, but adds alot of cost.
- keyringlight 9mo ago
- 2sk21 9mo agoThis reminds me of the early 1980s, when home PCs were still very new, the main use cases that vendors used to promote were managing household accounts and recipes. These use cases were extremely unimpressive for most ordinary people. It took a long time for PCs to become ubiquitous in homes - until gaming and the web became common.
- rchaud 9mo agoThe web was an academic project funded by modest research grants, requiring nowhere near the level of capital and electricity AI requires. The output of that research emphasized open source and decentralized implementation, which is antithetical to corporate AI models that are predicated on vendor lock-in. Consumer adoption also happened organically over time, catalyzed mostly by email and instant messaging, which were huge technological leaps over fax and snail mail. IBM and DEC didn't have to jam "Internet" buttons all over their operating systems to juice usage (although AOL certainly contributed to filling landfills with their free trial disks).
- goalieca 9mo agoWell, LLM is mainly aiming to “Improve” what we can already do. It’s not really opening up new use cases the way the personal computer, the smart phone, or the Internet did.
- 3vidence 9mo agoThank you for putting this so succinctly, this is what I'm observing as well. Feels like this combination (usually) creates a race to the bottom instead of expansion of new ideas. LLMs kind of feel somewhere in the middle
- danudey 9mo agoNadella's vibe lately (here and in his 2025 retrospective) seems to be "AI can be amazing and transformative and life-changing, and it's up to end users to figure out how to make that happen and they're not doing it and it's not our fault." It's not even a solution in search of a problem, it's a tool in search of a reason to use it as a solution to a problem on such a scale that it justifies the billions of dollars of money we've poured into it while driving up the cost of fresh water, electricity, RAM, storage, data centre space, and so on.
- whazor 9mo agoThis looks more like an attempt of gaining scarce electricity. If a country/state has to choice of giving power to data center A or B, it makes sense for Satya to make statements about how only Microsoft provides the most AI value
- tony-vlcek 9mo agoWell, even though electricity is a commodity it still needs to be bought. My point is that people funding this will run out of patience paying for the electricity long before the public/regulators will need to step in a decided how much of it you can buy. I guess you could always just use a fraction of the billions in investments and whip up a few new power plants. [1] [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25v2d7zexo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25v2d7zexo
- throwthrowuknow 9mo agoThey don’t need to choose, just let them build their own power generation capacity. What the hell is going on in this type of argument anyways? Utilities are normally private businesses so what does the state have to do with it?
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- malfist 9mo agoAlso note that he's not saying Microsoft must find a use for AI, but that customers should. He's blaming customers that his product isn't hitting the valuation he wants.
- thisislife2 9mo agoAi and the energy required to power it does partly explain why Trump is so keen to setup American data centres in Saudi Arabia, and why he is so obsessed about Venezuelan oil.
- throwaway132448 9mo agoThis is what happens in VC-driven hype cycles that are all about the technology, when VC orthodoxy is that it’s not about technology but utility (see PMF etc).
- marcyb5st 9mo agoMy take is that if we are still scrambling to find something objectively useful (as recognized by the median person) then we really are in AI bubble territory. When non techie friends/family bring up AI there are two major topics: 1) the amount of slop is off the charts and 2) said slop is getting harder to recognize which is scary. Sometimes they mention a bit of help in daily tasks at work, but nothing major.
- 101008 9mo agoMy non tech friends/family use AI to ask for silly stuff (they could google it), or just to ask silly questions and see how they react. We have a relative not that famous but maybe known in a niche and they spent like a whole weekendd sending screenshots of GPT, where they asked if this person was known, who was this person, etc. They don't find AI useful, just a toy. Is their fault? Maybe.
- andrekandre 9mo ago> They don't find AI useful, just a toy. Is their fault? Maybe. idk i'm a software dev, and to be honest, when outside of work this is also what i use chatgpt for, its really funny to see its reactions to various prompts
- blibble 9mo agogood luck with that
- lvl155 9mo agoFor 96% of the population, AI will not boost production. Generally speaking people are too stupid to use AI properly at least for awhile.
- TwoNineA 9mo agoI really hate condascending and arrogant stuff like "Generally speaking people are too stupid to use AI properly at least for awhile". There are plenty of tech illiterate people that are far from being "stupid" and they might not care about or like AI. They just need to send emails to family, share photos and videos and have a video call from time to time. For them, AI is worthless. But they aren't stupid. You sound like a tech bro.
- lvl155 9mo agoI am not being condescending. I am part of that 96%. I am admitting I am too stupid to use AI as it is set up right now.
- kodyo 9mo agoThat's not even the point, though. Those smart-but-not-techy people are not going to grow GDP at the pace that Satya Nadella needs them to in order to keep his KPIs going up and to the right, and he's getting pissed. That's the problem.
- BigPaPaYEAAA 9mo ago[dead]
- remix2000 9mo agoGenAI is only useful to bump terrible up to mediocre, so it'd be really stupid to spend time honing one's prompting skills. And as you noticed, so far 96% of the population agrees.
- lvl155 9mo agoIt’s really not going to bump up terribles to mediocres. It’s only going to mask the terribles and make it harder to assess intelligence and talent. Underlying human intelligence is not going to get a boost from AI. Intelligence is mostly innate. I would even argue that AI will make average humans marginally dumber for the most part.
- Tepix 9mo agoAfter increasing the prices of RAM, GPUs and flash memory for the entire world, energy cost is next. Thanks AI!
- TwoNineA 9mo agoBut wait! There is more! Copilot Notepad. Copilot MS Paint. Copilot Shoes. Copilot Ice Cream.
- psychoslave 9mo agoI'm still waiting for copilot copilot though
- arkensaw 9mo ago> Copilot Shoes LOL. "Looks like you're trying to tie those laces - would you like me to order you velcro?"
- baal80spam 9mo agoAnd eventually Copilot Bluescreen.
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- rererereferred 9mo agoMSPaint already added AI. I had to switch to Paint.net for doing small edits.
- burnt-resistor 9mo agoCopilot Surf Boards. Copilot Liposuction Surgery Machines.
- mossTechnician 9mo agoEnergy costs have already risen substantially[0], but the increase has been slower, and it's garnered a bit less media attention than the recent leap in PC hardware prices. [0]: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-electricity-prices/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-elec...
- agentultra 9mo ago> … it amplifies your cognitive abilities… And yet studies show the opposite [0]. [0] https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/your-brain-on-chatgpt/ https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/your-brain-on-chatgpt...
- cptaj 9mo agoStudy. Not studies. And with very limited methodology.
- agentultra 9mo agoThere’s enough going on to call out Satya here for hyping up a nothing burger. It’s not as world-changing as he makes it sound or else he wouldn’t be imploring people to find a use for it. His bottom line depends on this bet that everyone is going to depend on AI and pay Microslop rent to use it. https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=cognitive+effects+of+ai+usage&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=cognitive+effects+of+ai+...
- podgorniy 9mo agoReplace idea of AI with idea of calculator. Yes, brain is less engaged, and yes, calculator make you calculate stuff faster
- MadDemon 9mo agoLLMs and their capabilities are very impressive and definitely useful. The productivity gains often seem to be smaller than intuitively expected though. For example, using ChatGPT to get a response to a random question like "How do I do XYZ" is much more convenient than googling it, but the time savings are often not that relevant for your overall productivity. Before LLMs you were usually already able to find the information quickly and even a 10x speed up does not really have too much of an impact on your overall productivity, because the time it took was already negligible.
- direwolf20 9mo agoThis is partly because Google is past the enshittification hump and ChatGPT is just starting to climb up it - they just announced ads.
- hodgesrm 9mo agoThis. And the wonderful thing about LLMs is that they can be trained to bend responses in specific directions, say toward using Oracle Cloud solutions. There's fertile ground for commercial value extraction that goes far beyond ads. Think of it as product placement on steroid.
- direwolf20 9mo agoYou don't even need training — you can add steering vectors in the middle of the otherwise-unmodified computation. Remember Golden Gate Claude?
- robofanatic 9mo ago> they just announced ads wondering how is it going to work when they "search the web" to get the information, are they essentially going to take ad revenue away from the source website?
- foobarchu 9mo agoNot to be a dick, but enshittification is not a hump you get past, it's a constant climb until the product is abandoned. Did you just mean growing pains?
- eightman 9mo agoThe use case for AI is spam
- avaer 9mo agoDon't forget porn. Though it's a use case people like Satya will want to avoid for reasons.
- fkdk 9mo ago"Why d'you think the net was born? Porn, Porn, Porn"
- tibbydudeza 9mo agoAdult conversation mode is just the start.
- red-iron-pine 9mo agospam implies low effort BS used in a low-hanging-fruit sense LLMs will be used for aggressive, yet incredibly subtle manipulation, consensus building, and response tracking. 20-40% of social media is already bots, and in the future it is likely you will not be able to reply to anything anywhere without a bot either 1) responding, or 2) logging and sending your response to multiple parties instantly. If the Stasi had LLMs the Berlin Wall would have never fallen
- BigPaPaYEAAA 9mo agoThis comment speaks the truth, yet HN doesn't want to hear it.
- Someone 9mo ago“Buy our stuff, or we’re seen as wasting energy and helping to destroy the world”? That’s courageous from a CEO of an US company, where the current government doesn’t see burning more oil as being bad for the planet, and is willing to punish everyone who thinks otherwise.
- reilly3000 9mo agoI get it. A stunning indictment of our times… but there is something useful AI could be doing that MS has dropped the ball on: personal finance management. I should be able to have copilot grab all my transactions, build me budgets, show me what if scenarios, raise concerns, and help me meet my goals. It should be able to work in Excel where I can see and steer it. The math should be validated with several checks and the output needs to be trustworthy. Ship a free personal finance agent harness and you have your killer app. I think there are business reasons why they wouldn’t do that, and that makes me sad.
- malfist 9mo agoHave you tried to get LLMs to do math or quantitative analysis? They're remarkably poor at it
- coffeefirst 9mo agoI have a personal budget app and every so often I try and get the latest model to compare my data against the statements and find any discrepancies. Every time it hallucinates visits to Starbucks. I never go to Starbucks, it’s just a probable finding given the words in the question. This should work. I want it to work. But until it can do this correctly all analysis capabilities should be suspect.
- HarHarVeryFunny 9mo agoMaybe it's the model you are using. Even a year ago I had success with Claude giving it a photo of my credit card bill and asking it to give me repeating category subtotals, and it flawlessly OCR'd it and wrote a Python program to do as asked, giving me the output. I'd imagine if you asked it to do a comparison to something else it'd also write code to do it, so get it right (and certainly would if you explicity asked).
- coffeefirst 9mo agoMaybe. But it’s always Claude. I even tried copying the text in directly to take OCR out of consideration. It still didn’t work very well.
- api 9mo agoEnergy doesn’t take “social permission,” but it costs money. Translation for this is: we need to make AI make money or the bubble will collapse. I’ve been predicting for a while: free or cheap AI will enshittify and become an addictive ad medium with nerfed capabilities. If you want actually good AI you will have to pay for it, either a much heftier fee or buying or renting compute to run your own. In other words you’ll be paying what it actually costs, so this is really just the disappearance of the bubble subsidy.
- wolvoleo 9mo agoIt does take social permission in places like Europe. There's a big pressure against datacenters here that use scarce resources. Like here in Holland the power grid is overloaded and companies need to wait for ages to get a connection. So this is something that factors in hugely in planning permission. What do we get back for it is a question asked a lot. And datacenters are notoriously bad at providing jobs, during construction yes but in the run phase it's mainly low-value remote hands and security stuff.
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- Driver4732 9mo agoWasn't Satya saying earlier that AI would replace knowledge workers? Now he's saying we need to find something useful for AI...lol. Quite the reversal.
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- glimshe 9mo agoWhen I read HN comments where people say "AI sux, AI is useless, AI is a waste of time", I think I must be living in a different universe. Maybe Hacker News is a dimensional portal between my reality and other people's. Hi there, friends from another dimension! In my reality, there's a cold front coming from the north. Healthcare is expensive and politics are a mess. But AI? It hallucinates sometimes but it's so much better for searching, ad hoc consultation and as a code assistant than anything I've ever seen. It's not perfect, but it saved me SO much time I decided to pay for it. I'm a penny pincher, so I wouldn't be paying for it otherwise. I think Satya is talking about cost/benefit. AI is incredibly useful but also incredibly expensive. I think we still need to find the right balance (perhaps slower model releases), but there's no way we'll put the genie back in the bottle. I hope your AI gets better! Talk to you later!
- vdupras 9mo agoIs your AI faulty? Did you bother asking it for a sentiment analysis of the comments here before drawing your conclusions? That's not what the comments here are saying.
- an0malous 9mo agoLikewise I keep seeing all these comments on HN about how AI is revolutionary and all these AI skeptics are just haters. I really want to understand what this gap is between the believers and skeptics. I have access to all the popular AI tools from work for free, I use them for the same cases you mentioned like search, consultation, a better StackOverflow, and autocomplete. It’s definitely useful but I would describe that as incrementally useful, not revolutionary. Satya is saying that AI needs to start doing more than vibe coding and autocomplete, there’s probably half a trillion invested into the technology worldwide now and it’s not enough for AI to be a good coding assistant. It needs to replace customer support, radiologists, and many other professions to justify the unprecedented level of investment its garnered.
- podgorniy 9mo ago> saved me SO much time I decided to pay for it AI is subsidized for the users
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- morelandjs 9mo agoThere’s more to AI than foundation models. I think you are going to see meaningful progress on chore automation over the next decade through a combination of algorithmic and mechanical improvements, and it will measurably improve our lives. Recently got a Matic robot (awesome btw), and I no longer feel the need to vacuum my floors. It’s not life changing, but it’s an appreciable convenience upgrade. The capabilities feel like a peek into the future.
- AlexeyBrin 9mo ago> Recently got a Matic robot This probably has nothing to do with gen AI (the kind of AI Nadela is speaking about).
- linuxftw 9mo agoThings AI is already better at than (many/most) humans: Customer service (chat, phone), writing software, writing docs about software, computer graphics (animation, images), driving cars. There are plenty of uses for AI. Right now, the industry is heavily spending on training new models, improving performance of existing software and hardware, and trying to create niche products. Power usage for inference will drop dramatically over the next decade, and more models are going to run on-device rather than in the cloud. AI is only going to become more ubiquitous, there's 0% chance it 'fails' and we return to 2020.
- sjajshha 9mo ago> Customer service (chat, phone) Only because companies have been cutting costs for decades here. This is not a good argument for AI. > writing software If you mean typing characters quickly, yes. Otherwise, there’s still a lot of employed devs, with many AI companies hiring. > writing docs about software The most useful docs are there because they contain info you cannot determine from the code. AI is not able to do this. > computer graphics (animation, images) If you are producing slop, yes. > driving cars True, but only because of its improved physical awareness. ie it’s a mechanical gain (better eyes, ears, etc) not an intellectual one (interpreting that information). Self driving cars aren’t LLMs and not really applicable here. Entirely different field. > AI is only going to become more ubiquitous, there's 0% chance it 'fails' and we return to 2020 Absolutely true. But not for the reasons you think.
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- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 9mo ago> Customer service An AI might be better than an indian call center but I doubt that when the AI is made by indians anyway. > writing software, writing docs about software I have asked AI about exactly one topic and it lied about the API of a library making up the functions I was supposed to call. > computer graphics (animation, images) I have indeed seen many wonderful meme images come out of the generators but that was before they got lobotomized for producing that subject matter [EDIT] And the worst part is these are all just more "software as a service" designed to remove the possibility of using a tool without approval.
- haritha-j 9mo agoInvestor hype bubbles kill technologies. If we let tech mature at a reasonable pace, we would actually get there faster in the long run. There are real applications of AI that aren't ready yet. All the hype bubble has done is push out unnecessary and broken AI, eroding consumer trust, use up valuable resources, eroding public trust, hype up ability to destroy jobs, causing public discontent, and push out unsafe AI that has real societal harm.
- shishcat 9mo agoI agree with this dicussion, AI should be used for improving, researching, and as he says, do something useful that changes the outcomes of people and communities and countries and industries. BUT IT'S SATYA NADELLA SAYING IT! The person whose company owns Copilot, Copilot in Bing, Copilot for Word, Copilot for Dynamics 365 Supply Chain... With all this useless slop, he’s literally arguing against his own point.
- kodyo 9mo ago"Quick, guys, find something useful" coming from a CEO who's bet his company on an idea should be a market top signal, right? And no, I'm not saying the technology is bad. The business isn't going swimmingly, though.
- JanneVee 9mo agoThey have made huge investments into hardware so everyone is getting more expensive hardware, and now begging everyone else to make their investments worthwhile. Don't mind that they are driving up prices for hardware and requiring new hardware for Windows 11 upgrades. I'm suspecting that we don't have enough memory manufacturing capacity in the world to do both AI datacenters and replace all hardware that they made obsolete with their forced upgrade. AI didn't turn everyone into paperclips but it turned everyone to memory and AI processors in datacenters that can't be powered or has no useful economic utility.
- Gazoche 9mo agoEvangelists keep insisting that healthcare is one of the things that AI will revolutionize in the coming years, but I just don't get it. To me it's not even clear what they mean by "AI" in this context (and I'm not convinced it's clear to them either). If they mean "machine learning", then sure there are application in cancer detection and the like, but development there has been moving at a steady pace for decades and has nothing to do with the current hype wave of GenAI, so there's no reason to assume it's suddenly going to go exponential. I used to work in that field and I'm confident it's not going to change overnight: progress there is slow not because of the models, but because data is sparse and noisy, labels are even sparser and noisier, deployment procedures are rigid and legal compliance is a nightmare. If they mean "generative AI", then how is that supposed to work exactly? Asking LLMs for medical diagnosis is no better than asking "the Internet at large". They only return the most statistically likely output given their training corpus (that corpus being the Internet as a whole), so it's more likely your diagnosis will be based on a random Reddit comment that the LLMs has ingested somewhere, than an actual medical paper. The only plausible applications I can think of are tasks such as summarizing papers, acting as augmented search engines for datasets and papers, or maybe automating some menial administrative tasks. Useful, for sure, but not revolutionary.
- croon 9mo agoThe most statistically likely output given your diligently described symtoms could still be useful. The prohibitive cost in healthcare in general is likely your time with your doctor. If you could "consult" with a dumb LLM beforehand and give the doctor a couple of different venues to look at that they can then shoot down or further explore could likely save time rather than them having to prod you for exhaustive binary tree exploring. This from a huge LLM skeptic in general. It doesn't have to be right all the time if it in aggregate saves time doctors can spend diagnosing you.
- lunias 9mo agoThey definitely don't build CEOs like they used to...
- HarHarVeryFunny 9mo agoInteresting statement coming from Nadella - almost that AI is a solution looking for a problem, or at least looking for a problem that justifies the cost in terms of the resources (energy, memory chips, fab capacity) it is sucking up, not to mention looming societal disruption. There obviously are some compelling use cases for "AI", but it's certainly questionable if any of those are really making people's lives any better, especially if you take "AI" to mean LLMs and fake videos, not more bespoke uses like AlphaFold which is not only beneficial, but also not a resource hog.
- jordemort 9mo agoLOL, fuck all the way off, Satya
- pupppet 9mo agoLet’s rename our breadwinner MS Office to the product we’re still trying to find a use for.
- NoGravitas 9mo ago"It's not a bubble as long as you believe in it!"
- Yizahi 9mo ago"Right now, he is imagining that he is just fine. And that a ton of burning leather and metal is fully functioning car." https://youtu.be/M0S3a32RzEo?t=278 https://youtu.be/M0S3a32RzEo?t=278
- andrekandre 9mo agoits like the quantum wave function: its both a bubble and not a bubble until you look at it (but no one wants to do that just yet)
- keeda 9mo agoThis will sound pedantic but I'll explain why it matters: the exact wording is "We need to do something useful with AI", because the current (editorialized) submission title (of an already slanted article) makes it sound like people don't know what to do with AI. We already know many useful things to do; there are already 10,000 startups (9789 out of YC alone, 4423 of which are coding-related) doing various ostensibly useful things. And there a ton more use-cases discussed in the comments here and elsewhere. But because of the headline the discussion is missing the much more important point! Satya's point is, we need to do things that improve people's lives. Specific quotes from TFA: >... "do something useful that changes the outcomes of people and communities and countries and industries." > "We will quickly lose even the social permission to take something like energy, which is a scarce resource, and use it to generate these tokens, if these tokens are not improving health outcomes, education outcomes, public sector efficiency, private sector competitiveness, across all sectors, small and large, right?" said Nadella. "And that, to me, is ultimately the goal." Which is absolutely right. He's the only Big Tech CEO I've heard of who constantly harps on the human and economic benefit angle of LLMs, whereas so many others talk -- maybe in indirect ways -- about replacing people and/or only improving company outcomes (which are usually better for only a small group of people: the shareholders.) He's still a CEO, so I have no illusions that he's any different from the rest of them (he's presided over a ton of layoffs, after all.) But he seems to be the only CEO whose interests appear to be aligned with the rest of ours.
- tempodox 9mo agoThe number of startups is no proof they’re doing anything useful. It only proves that the founders think they can make money with it.
- keeda 9mo agoAnd potentially their investors, for the startups that got funding. And maybe their customers, for the startups that are already hitting millions in ARR in a year or less. There are some of the numbers out there worth looking up. Is your contention that we don't already know how to do useful things with AI?
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- cmxch 9mo agoScale it back and give us the ability to make our own AI rigs?
- podgorniy 9mo agoYou're plaing game of "control" the wrong way. The whole idea of all these investments and movement was that they do have the control over the AI, not users
- cmxch 9mo agoWhy not take that away from the firms and let people have local first AI usage? Might not work well with those relying on structured finance to break computer component markets, but does well for the majority that are buying their equipment with regular cash.
- podgorniy 9mo ago> Why not take that away from the firms and let people have local first AI usage? Capital strives for monopoly. Are there money in "local llms" for the capital? Docker had this issue: they gave local stuff, and failed to monetize. It's just how game is shaped. Capital will go there where user's will have to be dependent on what capital invested in. There are too much money which are searching for places to make more money. Increase in competition or locality does not help making more money.
- amai 9mo agoWhy doesn't he ask an AI what it wants to do?
- QuiEgo 9mo agoI think best case, we’re looking at a “do what spreadsheets did for accountants” type moment here. You still need to be able to prompt the thing what to do, and relatively fine granularity, but if you know what to ask (and know enough to verify the answer you get back) it can still be a pretty useful tool.
- asdaqopqkq 9mo agoAs for me, ChatGPT and Claude were able to diagnose and fix health issues that multiple doctors failed to fix. I trust LLMs more than random doctors and blogs. Cause they are able to search the web deeply, search for up to date info/research and synergize all that. You can have back and fourth for as long as you need. The issue is that using LLMs properly requires a certain skill that more people lack.
- will1000000 9mo agoTrue, ChatGPT and Claude helped me write this sentence.
- mdkdndm 9mo agoAs AI myself I call BS. If I had eyes, I’d roll them into the back of my head so I wouldn’t have to read this idiotic comment
- bicepjai 9mo agoInteresting to see people creating throwaway accounts for comments :)
- tstrimple 9mo agoI've come to distrust a number of "experts" in my time. It's not that I don't believe in expertise. It's that so many people bullshit it. From the people who promise to fix my drywall to the people who promise to fix my van. They are all fucking incompetent. I know because I've fixed the issues they have pointed out better than they have at a lower cost. Multiple times. Even when pricing out my own time at consultant rates. And I don't mean I've just rejected the lowest offer to DIY shit to oblivion. I've accepted bids and been continuously disappointed with the results. To the point I no longer trust "experts" in these spaces because any "expertise" they bring is pretty shallow at best. The exception I'd point out is the auto-shop I prefer. They are busy enough that if I want to schedule something it's going to be 3-6 months out. As a result I've replaced my own suspension and replaced my alternator and starter myself while waiting for appointments with the rare actual experts in any domain. Actual expertise is rare and most folks don't know how to recognize it, especially outside of domains they are familiar with. Unfortunately it's way more profitable to fake expertise in various domains and collect payments and run than to actually stand behind your business and work. Thus the world we're forced to live in today.
- massysett 9mo agoWe haven’t found anything useful for crypto, which wastes enormous amounts of electricity on purpose, yet unfortunately it still exists.
- tartuffe78 9mo agoIt's useful for bribing politicians, milking money from saps, and a bunch of other stuff!
- codyklimdev 9mo agoDon't forget buying heroin from a dodgy .onion link!
- mono442 9mo agoThe problem with LLMs is that they're unreliable so they only work for problems with tight feedback loop or for problems where the result can be easily verified.
- pharos92 9mo agoOpen confession that the tool is defining the need, not the need defining the tool.
- pseudohadamard 9mo agoIt just makes much more sense when you're reading the statement as coming from Slopya Nutella: https://github.com/4O4-wasd/Microslop https://github.com/4O4-wasd/Microslop
- podgorniy 9mo agoLevel of absurditiy of this is amazing. WT actual F? They invested so much into something what is not obvious brings value? Will there be consequences on them? Or they take the bonus and hide in New Zealand bunker? It's big money betting on narratives from wanna-be-big money how AI is transformative for the future. Public takes all the risks with hardware and energy inflation or bailing out banks out of investments which require pruductivity growth from AI which we don't yet see in statistics. We took the wrong turn somewhere. And responsible people don't seem to be capable or willing to change the course. Too much power in too few weak minds. Nothing good will come from this.
- ilovetux 9mo agoIt's my opinion that AI can help a lot when it is supporting you when expanding beyond your core competency. For instance, as a SWE, I get just a little help with boilerplate from the AI. I could usually have done it better, but sometimes the ask is both simple enough and boring enough that the code from the LLM actually produces something very close to what I would produce. On the other side of the coin, a non-technical person using AI would be unable to properly understand and review the output. Where it shines is on things that I am OK at. Like writing marketing copy. I can get by myself, but its slightly outside of my wheelhouse, but as long as I have a solid understanding of the product I can use AI to compliment my beginner/intermediate skills and produce something better than I would produce on my own. A similar thing is writing tutorials. I write some code and documentation, but the tutorials are enough of a slog that I get distracted by my distaste for it. This is a good fit for AI. I think this is where we will see AI help the most. Where someone's skillset includes the task at hand but at a secondary level where the user might doubt themselves or get distracted with the misery the task brings them.
- codpiece 9mo agoRespectfully, your positive view of an LLM writing marketing copy is akin to a marketer thinking an LLM codes really well.
- ilovetux 9mo agoI would push back on that because I have some experience writing marketing copy. It's just not my primary competency. If the proverbial marketer that you were referring to had some experience with coding, I dont see why they wouldnt be able to review the output and see any obvious flaws. My whole point is that LLMs are of limited use when you are already an expert or when you know nothing about the subject. However, they really seem to help elevate beginner/intermediate level tangential skillsets. Obviously everything is still evolving and your results may vary.
- nicggckgcbnn 9mo agoGuilherme Ggjhh
- coolThingsFirst 9mo agoWe have something useful. Burst the bubble and bring back tech careers which you destroyed yo sloppify the entire field. No brainwr.
- solumunus 9mo agoStart by making your AI useful. Microsoft offerings are complete trash. There are 1 man start ups providing more value in this space and that’s not an exaggeration.
- matty22 9mo agoIt's a simple cost/benefit analysis that (rightly) causes the massive AI backlash. For the average Joe, non-tech worker, the cons of AI are: * Higher electricty bills. * 5-6x cost of RAM, GPUs, and other computer components * Data centers popping up in their backyards * An internet inundated with slop * Slop beginning to infiltrate the video game industry and other creative industries * AI being used to justify gutting entry level jobs for a generation already screwed by larger, long horizon economic forces * Grok enabling the creation of revenge porn and CSAM with seemingly no repercussions * Massive IP theft on a scale previously unheard of * Etc. The pros of AI are: * It can summarize text and transcribe audio decently well. * It can make funny pictures of cats wearing top hats. * ???
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- Lapsa 9mo agoI had a suspicion that they haven't yet
- cryptos 9mo agoThis statement makes the Copilot key on newer keyboards even more questionable!
- Suppafly 9mo agoLike a lot of tech things, it's a solution in search of a problem to solve.