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I think a lot more people, especially at the higher end of the pay scale, are in some kind of AI psychosis. I have heard people at work talk about how they are

I think a lot more people, especially at the higher end of the pay scale, are in some kind of AI psychosis. I have heard people at work talk about how they are using chatGPT to quick health advice, some are asking it for gym advice and others are just saying they just dump entire research reports into it and get the summary.

mannanj 9mo ago
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- greggoB 9mo ago
  > Similar to the mass psychosis we were hearing about during COVID Can you be more specific and/or provide some references? The "demonstrating curiosity about controversial topics" part is sounding like vaccine skepticism, though I don't recall ever hearing that being referred to as any kind of "psychosis".
  - mannanj 9mo ago
    Noting that it is straw man to connect my argument with vaccine skepticism. The mass psychosis was that early on in the COVID response, we were hearing so much early advice from people that were ahead of CDC/FDA, things like: - Masks work (CDC/FDA discouraged, then flip-flopped and took credit for these things) despite it originating from Scott Alexander and skeptic communities like his, I also heard it from Tim Ferriss - Ivermectin, Mega dosing Vitamins like Vitamin D and C, Povidone Iodine (known disinfectant people use: claimed to be "bleach" by misinformation media) - we know they still have Little to no downside and the psychosis was to label any critical thinking about ideas like nutrition and personal health to help with "COVID" as anti-COVID and anti-vaccine. Psychosis like attack, straw mans, Ad Hominems shutting down critical thinking and curiosity as psychosis - Asking about "Hey if I got COVID before, that immunity is as robust if not more than vaccine, what evidence supports I need the vaccine?" was shut down despite it being robust and sound questioning to ask. Curiosity was shut down, psychosis was to jump on all questioners as anti-vaccine and vaccine skeptics, calling them murderers often by sensationalist papers. Does that answer your question, and feel referential for you. Let me know what you are expecting and I can deliver better references. I think you've heard about or are probably familiar with all the examples I used though.(Another psychosis I just thought of: To this day the hostile, discriminatory, lock-step vocal cancel-culture class of opinion that was blindly sent to anyone who questioned mainstream covid policy during that time was so much like the biggest example of psychosis I've ever seen. That wa when I first heard of the term "mass psychosis")
    - EagnaIonat 9mo ago
      > CDC/FDA discouraged, then flip-flopped and took credit for these things There is a documentary called "Everything under control". In it they explained why this happened. Basically they were scared that the public were going to buy out the masks that were needed by medical staff. > Ivermectin Same documentary, this was started by Musk. It does nothing and is dangerous.
      - mannanj 9mo ago
        Thanks. Do you mean the Totally Under Control documentary from 2020? One question, have you ever considered the opposite of what you're saying to be true, or looked for the evidence for that? Saying because I've heard of and looked at both opinions you've expressed in your comment and heard and seen evidence for them to be true. I also did the opposite. And looking at the opposite seemed more true objectively and with the emotions and popular biases like authority bias and other harmful ones removed. "If you can't see anything wrong with the side you agree with, and you can't see anything right with the side you disagree with, you've been manipulated." Very wise quote.
        EagnaIonat 9mo ago
        > Do you mean the Totally Under Control documentary from 2020? Yea sorry I was recalling from memory. > One question, have you ever considered the opposite of what you're saying to be true, or looked for the evidence for that? I look at what the scientists who have spent years in that field are saying and is peer reviewed. You go searching on the internet for the answer you expect, you will find it. > authority bias Authority bias is where an expert in field X claims to have knowledge in field Y when they don't.
        mannanj 9mo ago
        Absolutely not. Looks like your memory is playing tricks on you again. | Authority Bias: The cognitive tendency to overvalue the opinion of an authority figure or expert lets not make up definitions for your own convenience.
tuckwat 9mo ago
What does using a chat agent have to do with psychosis? I assume this was also the case when people googled their health results, googled their gym advice and googled for research paper summaries? As long as you're vetting your results just like you would any other piece of information on the internet then it's an evolution of data retrieval.
- falloutx 9mo ago
  > As long as you're vetting your results this is just what AI companies say so they are not held responsibly for any legal issues, if a person is searching for summary of a paper, surely they don't have time to vet the paper.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatbot_psychosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatbot_psychosis
DocTomoe 9mo ago
Pathologising those who disagree with a current viewpoint follows a long and proud tradition. "Possessed by demons" of yesteryear, today it's "AI psychosis".
- mikemarsh 9mo ago
  It's not about "Pathologising those who disagree", it's about how demonic influence (which anyone can fall victim to) _actually_ works. You've highlighted a very real equivalency in spite of yourself.
  - Capricorn2481 9mo ago
    > demonic influence Is this an unironic usage of this word? If you're trying to make a different point, it doesn't come across. > You've highlighted a very real equivalency in spite of yourself The equivalence doesn't help you, because "possessed by demons" has been used to describe people who are sick, playing D&D, reading comics, listening to music, being women, and it is frivolous and embarrassing to take seriously.
    - mikemarsh 9mo ago
      Getting your definitions and worldview from 20th-21st century reactions (many justified) against goofy evangelicalism rather than actual theology and history is likewise frivolous and embarrassing.

mannanj 9mo ago

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greggoB 9mo ago
> Similar to the mass psychosis we were hearing about during COVID Can you be more specific and/or provide some references? The "demonstrating curiosity about controversial topics" part is sounding like vaccine skepticism, though I don't recall ever hearing that being referred to as any kind of "psychosis".
- mannanj 9mo ago
  Noting that it is straw man to connect my argument with vaccine skepticism. The mass psychosis was that early on in the COVID response, we were hearing so much early advice from people that were ahead of CDC/FDA, things like: - Masks work (CDC/FDA discouraged, then flip-flopped and took credit for these things) despite it originating from Scott Alexander and skeptic communities like his, I also heard it from Tim Ferriss - Ivermectin, Mega dosing Vitamins like Vitamin D and C, Povidone Iodine (known disinfectant people use: claimed to be "bleach" by misinformation media) - we know they still have Little to no downside and the psychosis was to label any critical thinking about ideas like nutrition and personal health to help with "COVID" as anti-COVID and anti-vaccine. Psychosis like attack, straw mans, Ad Hominems shutting down critical thinking and curiosity as psychosis - Asking about "Hey if I got COVID before, that immunity is as robust if not more than vaccine, what evidence supports I need the vaccine?" was shut down despite it being robust and sound questioning to ask. Curiosity was shut down, psychosis was to jump on all questioners as anti-vaccine and vaccine skeptics, calling them murderers often by sensationalist papers. Does that answer your question, and feel referential for you. Let me know what you are expecting and I can deliver better references. I think you've heard about or are probably familiar with all the examples I used though.(Another psychosis I just thought of: To this day the hostile, discriminatory, lock-step vocal cancel-culture class of opinion that was blindly sent to anyone who questioned mainstream covid policy during that time was so much like the biggest example of psychosis I've ever seen. That wa when I first heard of the term "mass psychosis")
  - EagnaIonat 9mo ago
    > CDC/FDA discouraged, then flip-flopped and took credit for these things There is a documentary called "Everything under control". In it they explained why this happened. Basically they were scared that the public were going to buy out the masks that were needed by medical staff. > Ivermectin Same documentary, this was started by Musk. It does nothing and is dangerous.
    - mannanj 9mo ago
      Thanks. Do you mean the Totally Under Control documentary from 2020? One question, have you ever considered the opposite of what you're saying to be true, or looked for the evidence for that? Saying because I've heard of and looked at both opinions you've expressed in your comment and heard and seen evidence for them to be true. I also did the opposite. And looking at the opposite seemed more true objectively and with the emotions and popular biases like authority bias and other harmful ones removed. "If you can't see anything wrong with the side you agree with, and you can't see anything right with the side you disagree with, you've been manipulated." Very wise quote.
      - EagnaIonat 9mo ago
        > Do you mean the Totally Under Control documentary from 2020? Yea sorry I was recalling from memory. > One question, have you ever considered the opposite of what you're saying to be true, or looked for the evidence for that? I look at what the scientists who have spent years in that field are saying and is peer reviewed. You go searching on the internet for the answer you expect, you will find it. > authority bias Authority bias is where an expert in field X claims to have knowledge in field Y when they don't.
        mannanj 9mo ago
        Absolutely not. Looks like your memory is playing tricks on you again. | Authority Bias: The cognitive tendency to overvalue the opinion of an authority figure or expert lets not make up definitions for your own convenience.

tuckwat 9mo ago

What does using a chat agent have to do with psychosis? I assume this was also the case when people googled their health results, googled their gym advice and googled for research paper summaries? As long as you're vetting your results just like you would any other piece of information on the internet then it's an evolution of data retrieval.

falloutx 9mo ago
> As long as you're vetting your results this is just what AI companies say so they are not held responsibly for any legal issues, if a person is searching for summary of a paper, surely they don't have time to vet the paper.
direwolf20 9mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatbot_psychosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatbot_psychosis

DocTomoe 9mo ago

Pathologising those who disagree with a current viewpoint follows a long and proud tradition. "Possessed by demons" of yesteryear, today it's "AI psychosis".

mikemarsh 9mo ago
It's not about "Pathologising those who disagree", it's about how demonic influence (which anyone can fall victim to) _actually_ works. You've highlighted a very real equivalency in spite of yourself.
- Capricorn2481 9mo ago
  > demonic influence Is this an unironic usage of this word? If you're trying to make a different point, it doesn't come across. > You've highlighted a very real equivalency in spite of yourself The equivalence doesn't help you, because "possessed by demons" has been used to describe people who are sick, playing D&D, reading comics, listening to music, being women, and it is frivolous and embarrassing to take seriously.
  - mikemarsh 9mo ago
    Getting your definitions and worldview from 20th-21st century reactions (many justified) against goofy evangelicalism rather than actual theology and history is likewise frivolous and embarrassing.