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Previous CA resident anecdata, I remember droughts being a normal part of life in central CA 1990-early 2000s. Don't run sprinklers during certain hours, odd/ev
by accrual 9mo ago
Previous CA resident anecdata, I remember droughts being a normal part of life in central CA 1990-early 2000s. Don't run sprinklers during certain hours, odd/even watering, "the water bill" exclaimations, etc. Like another commentor mentioned I don't anticipate this will last, but it's nice to see the "official" state change even if for a bit.
- whartung 9mo agoI remember during one drought, the day the LA Department of Water and Power was going to declare water rationing, we got, some crazy number, 7-8" of rain in the basin. We got so much, we got "Lake San Fernando Valley" as the Sepulveda Dam did the job it was put up to do all those years ago and flooded. People had to move so fast (behind the dam is the a large park and recreation area, no homes were directly impacted) they abandoned their cars, and, later, divers with scuba gear were being arrested for looting them.
- trollbridge 9mo agoI recall rather absurd demands such as telling restaurants not to offer water (as if a glass of water makes any difference) and telling residents to skip showers.
- obidee2 9mo agoThat was widely ridiculed, but despite how it sometimes seems policy makers are not so stupid to believe saving water from cups not drunk would make a meaningful difference directly. One of the big hurdles for changing human behavior at scale is improving awareness. Even people who want to conserve their water usage benefit from frequent reminders to actually make changes stick. Being reminded the state is in a drought every time you go to a restaurant was an effective way to keep lots of people regularly conscious of the issue. Even if they complained about the method.
- sieabahlpark 9mo ago[dead]
- avalys 9mo agoThis is a great example of how patronizing policies developed by intellectual authorities backfire in the real world. The premise is, the general population is too stupid to do the right thing themselves and need to be reminded of the drought by being inconvenienced by completely ineffective performative policies. All this actually does in practice is diminish trust in authorities to make good decisions. If the drought policies are bogus, which other ones are too? Fuel economy standards? Air quality? OSHA? Instead of this nonsense - just allow the market to set the price of water based on what’s available. Of course, the answer there is usually “Oh but there are special interests that need to be able to consume as much water as they want without paying more for it, even in a drought!” And thus as usual the problem is not the personal conduct of individual citizens but corrupt and spineless politicians who are not actually interested in solving any problems.
- xp84 9mo ago> just allow the market to set the price of water based on what’s available. I'm 100% with you overall on the basic thrust of your comment, however I can't help but think that if we were adjusting water prices, somehow they'd go up by 60% in the dry years and go down 10% in the wet years. Maybe that's just because here in California we pay 2x-3x what anyone else in the US pays for electricity, and 50% more than most people pay for gas.
- NAR8789 9mo agoI don't know why California's electricity costs so much, but the gas prices are high due to regulation distorting the market. California has special California gas produced only at in-state refineries. It's for a good cause--California's gas, "CARB gas" is cleaner. But the gas market in California is segregated from the wider US market
- dare944 9mo ago> The premise is, the general population is too stupid to do the right thing themselves This isn't premise, it's observable fact. > and need to be reminded of the drought by being inconvenienced by completely ineffective performative policies. This is just evidence that the authorities are also members of the general population.
- junofan 9mo agoWell it didn’t work. I don’t elect my representatives to change human behavior at scale.
- obidee2 9mo agoSo you don’t think the government should have any economic policy? No taxes, education, or social welfare services?
- master-lincoln 9mo agoWhat do you elect them for then?
- NedF 9mo ago[dead]
- DANmode 9mo ago> Being reminded the state is in a drought every time you go to a restaurant was an effective way to keep lots of people regularly conscious of the issue. Even if they complained about the method. So treating your citizens like cattle.
- dekhn 9mo agoWhen I got here in '91 people told me "if it's yellow, let it mellow, if it's brown, flush it down".
- awesome_dude 9mo ago> as if a glass of water makes any difference Just FTR, it's not a single glass of water, it's n glasses of water per day multiplied by some number of days and some number of restaurants So, more likely, 2 or 3 glasses of water :-)
- stouset 9mo agoNo, the amount of water conserved through these measures was absolutely meaningless even at scale. You are talking about a fraction of a fraction of a percent of use.
- awesome_dude 9mo ago> So, more likely, 2 or 3 glasses of water :-)
- trollbridge 9mo agoYeah. Farmers measure water use in acre-feet and assess flows at thousands of gallons per minute range. The food in your plate consumes far more water than a glass of water. If anything, more water and less food eaten would be a good water conservation measure.
- gosub100 9mo agobut still allowing developers to build brand new houses and encouraging high-density multi-unit buildings.
- zobzu 9mo agoim not sure you're allowed to state all this! kidding but yeah.