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Regardless of whether or not your assessment of her internal mental state is true (and I think this is a very hard thing to be sure you're assessing correctly),

Regardless of whether or not your assessment of her internal mental state is true (and I think this is a very hard thing to be sure you're assessing correctly), I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations, even if you personally find them distasteful.

Drupon 9mo ago
>I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations She advocates for the value of AI generated CSAM, and her hypotheticals are attempts at deluded rationalization, the rationalization of could easily sway the actions of others. When I read her rationalizations and hypothetical moral scenarios, I am just reminded of the arguments from the New Left, including many of the voices of the French petition to remove the age of consent, that offered specious sophistry to not just sway others into allowing them to prey on children, but to encourage others with similar predilections to do so without moral qualms. A good specific example was the placing of orphans in the homes of known sex offenders in East Germany, with the rationalization that it's better than the orphans endure a bit of sexual impropriety than to suffer negligence, which is a very Aella style argument.
- defrost 9mo ago
  Can you link to the tweet / blog post in which Aella advocated for the actual placement of real children with known sex offenders?
  - Drupon 9mo ago
    You think Aella lived in East Germany? Obviously I was giving an example of a different situation in which her kind of specious moral reasoning resulted in the enablement of child sexual abuse.
    - defrost 9mo ago
      Obviously I didn't think Aella lives in East Germany for a single moment. I was interested in your reasoning as you appeared to be off on a tangent making what is known as a strawman argument.
      - Drupon 9mo ago
        If you cannot see the shared characteristics of the two cases, then I really have nothing to say to you. It would be impossible to sufficiently simplify the analogy. In the future, if you don't understand, ask for clarification rather than wasting my time with a disingenuous question that requires a full comment round trip to get past.
- JuniperMesos 9mo ago
  > She advocates for the value of AI generated CSAM, and her hypotheticals are attempts at deluded rationalization, the rationalization of could easily sway the actions of others. Why specifically is her argument wrong?
nilum 9mo ago
You have no idea how many men are going to find this and be emboldened by it. Men seek permission from women when it comes to pushing sexual boundaries. I don't care what her mental state is. She needs to be banned from the Internet.
- JasonADrury 9mo ago
  Emboldened to ... spend money on prostitutes?
  - Drupon 9mo ago
    Ignoring that I think spending money on prostitutes is unethical as labor is coerced (either work or starve), meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this), the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children. I have said it elsewhere, but this kind of specious moral pondering was employed extensively by groups like NAMBLA and others in the 20th century to provide moral cover for themselves.
    - JasonADrury 9mo ago
      > meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this) In a world where all labor is slave labor, rape presumably isn't particularly frowned upon. If I'm going to accept your premise that basically everything I have in life is obtained through coercion, why would I object to obtaining sex that way? > the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children One of these is not like the other. People advocating for AI generated child pornography are generally doing so as a means of reducing the frequency of people actually having sex with children. "AI generated CSAM" is an oxymoron FWIW, it's impossible to sexually abuse a child which does not exist.
      - cess11 9mo ago

Drupon 9mo ago

>I don't think that anyone is harmed in any meaningful way by reading her discussions about hypothetical sexual situations She advocates for the value of AI generated CSAM, and her hypotheticals are attempts at deluded rationalization, the rationalization of could easily sway the actions of others. When I read her rationalizations and hypothetical moral scenarios, I am just reminded of the arguments from the New Left, including many of the voices of the French petition to remove the age of consent, that offered specious sophistry to not just sway others into allowing them to prey on children, but to encourage others with similar predilections to do so without moral qualms. A good specific example was the placing of orphans in the homes of known sex offenders in East Germany, with the rationalization that it's better than the orphans endure a bit of sexual impropriety than to suffer negligence, which is a very Aella style argument.

defrost 9mo ago
Can you link to the tweet / blog post in which Aella advocated for the actual placement of real children with known sex offenders?
- Drupon 9mo ago
  You think Aella lived in East Germany? Obviously I was giving an example of a different situation in which her kind of specious moral reasoning resulted in the enablement of child sexual abuse.
  - defrost 9mo ago
    Obviously I didn't think Aella lives in East Germany for a single moment. I was interested in your reasoning as you appeared to be off on a tangent making what is known as a strawman argument.
    - Drupon 9mo ago
      If you cannot see the shared characteristics of the two cases, then I really have nothing to say to you. It would be impossible to sufficiently simplify the analogy. In the future, if you don't understand, ask for clarification rather than wasting my time with a disingenuous question that requires a full comment round trip to get past.
JuniperMesos 9mo ago
> She advocates for the value of AI generated CSAM, and her hypotheticals are attempts at deluded rationalization, the rationalization of could easily sway the actions of others. Why specifically is her argument wrong?

nilum 9mo ago

You have no idea how many men are going to find this and be emboldened by it. Men seek permission from women when it comes to pushing sexual boundaries. I don't care what her mental state is. She needs to be banned from the Internet.

JasonADrury 9mo ago
Emboldened to ... spend money on prostitutes?
- Drupon 9mo ago
  Ignoring that I think spending money on prostitutes is unethical as labor is coerced (either work or starve), meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this), the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children. I have said it elsewhere, but this kind of specious moral pondering was employed extensively by groups like NAMBLA and others in the 20th century to provide moral cover for themselves.
  - JasonADrury 9mo ago
    > meaning that sexual labor is sex obtained through coercion (there is a terser name for this) In a world where all labor is slave labor, rape presumably isn't particularly frowned upon. If I'm going to accept your premise that basically everything I have in life is obtained through coercion, why would I object to obtaining sex that way? > the things Aella likes to defend include things like AI generated CSAM, as well as trying to push the boundaries on what might be considered ethical ways to engage sexually with children One of these is not like the other. People advocating for AI generated child pornography are generally doing so as a means of reducing the frequency of people actually having sex with children. "AI generated CSAM" is an oxymoron FWIW, it's impossible to sexually abuse a child which does not exist.
    - cess11 9mo ago